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		<title>Comment on Nash Gunning For a Third MVP? by steve norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 be a mvp u must play both ends of the floor, simple and point</description>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1983- 63.6%        
1984- 76.7%  
1985- 77.7%   
1986- 86.4%

That last figure is phenomenal for a college player.  Since he was obviously still improving, it&#039;s not unreasonable to assume he would have been a 88-90% free throw shooter by the age of 25, which is Larry Bird territory.  I believe Bird was 84% as a rookie in the NBA and Bias was already there as a college senior.

Bias was much better than James Worthy.  He had shooting and ballhandling skills that Worthy could only dream about. He was also a better rebounder.  Bias ability-wise and body wise is similar to LeBron james, though I&#039;m not sure he would ever gotten as good as LeBron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1983- 63.6%<br />
1984- 76.7%<br />
1985- 77.7%<br />
1986- 86.4%</p>
<p>That last figure is phenomenal for a college player.  Since he was obviously still improving, it's not unreasonable to assume he would have been a 88-90% free throw shooter by the age of 25, which is Larry Bird territory.  I believe Bird was 84% as a rookie in the NBA and Bias was already there as a college senior.</p>
<p>Bias was much better than James Worthy.  He had shooting and ballhandling skills that Worthy could only dream about. He was also a better rebounder.  Bias ability-wise and body wise is similar to LeBron james, though I'm not sure he would ever gotten as good as LeBron.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Layups: Periodic Table of Blazers by Joe Schaller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Schaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic- I was just watching the guys on espn gushing all over Iverson. They noted on the stats that he was a four time scoring champ yet I would really like to know how many times he led the league in MISSED fga, how he fared in turnovers per minute and assist/turnover compared to other point guards and career adjusted field goal percentage.
Inquiring minds want to know not IF he was overrated but HOW MUCH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic- I was just watching the guys on espn gushing all over Iverson. They noted on the stats that he was a four time scoring champ yet I would really like to know how many times he led the league in MISSED fga, how he fared in turnovers per minute and assist/turnover compared to other point guards and career adjusted field goal percentage.<br />
Inquiring minds want to know not IF he was overrated but HOW MUCH.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by bastillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bastillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone is talking about his shooting. what was his FT% ? just out of curiosity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone is talking about his shooting. what was his FT% ? just out of curiosity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Layups: Periodic Table of Blazers by Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate McMillan has coached quite poorly this season, I think.  Andre Miller has performed much better with the team than Steve Blake, yet Miller is stuck behind Blake on the bench.  He&#039;s also kept too short of a leash on Oden, who needs to learn to work through the foul trouble.  It does appear he has acquiesced that, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate McMillan has coached quite poorly this season, I think.  Andre Miller has performed much better with the team than Steve Blake, yet Miller is stuck behind Blake on the bench.  He's also kept too short of a leash on Oden, who needs to learn to work through the foul trouble.  It does appear he has acquiesced that, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by Jason J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I forgot what a great college player CWeb was.  He played C in college though.  Probably not a great comparison w/ a 3/4 like Bias.  Juwan might be a better fit.

I grew up a Celts fan as well, and I remember the adults being very hung up on Bias, but I never watched him myself.  I can tell you one thing - drawing comparisons to Jordan does not might not guarantee success, but there&#039;s been a long lineage of very good players who were all named the &quot;next&quot; at some point.  Ron Harper, Clyde Drexler, Harold Minor (kinda), Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, LeBron James, and Dwyane Wade.  They don&#039;t suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I forgot what a great college player CWeb was.  He played C in college though.  Probably not a great comparison w/ a 3/4 like Bias.  Juwan might be a better fit.</p>
<p>I grew up a Celts fan as well, and I remember the adults being very hung up on Bias, but I never watched him myself.  I can tell you one thing - drawing comparisons to Jordan does not might not guarantee success, but there's been a long lineage of very good players who were all named the "next" at some point.  Ron Harper, Clyde Drexler, Harold Minor (kinda), Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, LeBron James, and Dwyane Wade.  They don't suck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JKD,

Before MJ played a game at UNC, he was touted by Al McGuire as a player who would, one day in the future, go down in Hoops History as, &quot;The Greatest Tar Heel Of Them All&quot;. Was Coach McGuire wrong?

Evaluating basketball players accurately involves a great deal more than simply crunching numbers.

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Kevin,

Like you, I, too, can recall seeing Len Bias play on more than one occasion against elite level competition.

Although there should be no doubt in anyone&#039;s mind that he was an outstanding college player, who was likely going to have a very good pro career, as an under-sized Power Forward, ala James Worthy, IMO, any comparison of Bias&#039; actual skill-set to that of Michael Jordan&#039;s, as the quintessential NBA OG/SF, is simply off-base. 

Please re-read carefully the anecdotal comments referenced in this thread praising Len&#039;s ability to play the game at a high level. What you should be able to see are subtle hints that reveal a distinct qualitative difference between Bias&#039; physical and skill-based assets:

* He was not quite as quick
* He was not quite as agile
* His ball-handling and passing skills needed to improve
* His range on his jumper needed to increase
* His driving ability was not that of a prototypical SF in the NBA

in comparison with His Airness.

Forget a statistical analysis of these two elite level hoopsters.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvyHXqJIxTw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Len Bias Highlights&lt;/a&gt;

In all likelihood:

* Len Bias would not have become &quot;a poor man&#039;s James Worthy&quot;; James Worthy would have become &quot;a poor man&#039;s Len Bias&quot;

* Len Bias would have become a much better NBA player than Brad Dougherty

* Len Bias, as an under-sized PF, would still have fallen short of names like Russell, Jordan, Oscar, Chamberlain, The Logo, Erving, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Hakeem, as the GOATs.

There is little/no shame in that ... considering the quality of those aforementioned names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKD,</p>
<p>Before MJ played a game at UNC, he was touted by Al McGuire as a player who would, one day in the future, go down in Hoops History as, "The Greatest Tar Heel Of Them All". Was Coach McGuire wrong?</p>
<p>Evaluating basketball players accurately involves a great deal more than simply crunching numbers.</p>
<p>-------------------</p>
<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Like you, I, too, can recall seeing Len Bias play on more than one occasion against elite level competition.</p>
<p>Although there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that he was an outstanding college player, who was likely going to have a very good pro career, as an under-sized Power Forward, ala James Worthy, IMO, any comparison of Bias' actual skill-set to that of Michael Jordan's, as the quintessential NBA OG/SF, is simply off-base. </p>
<p>Please re-read carefully the anecdotal comments referenced in this thread praising Len's ability to play the game at a high level. What you should be able to see are subtle hints that reveal a distinct qualitative difference between Bias' physical and skill-based assets:</p>
<p>* He was not quite as quick<br />
* He was not quite as agile<br />
* His ball-handling and passing skills needed to improve<br />
* His range on his jumper needed to increase<br />
* His driving ability was not that of a prototypical SF in the NBA</p>
<p>in comparison with His Airness.</p>
<p>Forget a statistical analysis of these two elite level hoopsters.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvyHXqJIxTw" rel="nofollow">Len Bias Highlights</a></p>
<p>In all likelihood:</p>
<p>* Len Bias would not have become "a poor man's James Worthy"; James Worthy would have become "a poor man's Len Bias"</p>
<p>* Len Bias would have become a much better NBA player than Brad Dougherty</p>
<p>* Len Bias, as an under-sized PF, would still have fallen short of names like Russell, Jordan, Oscar, Chamberlain, The Logo, Erving, Magic, Bird, Kareem and Hakeem, as the GOATs.</p>
<p>There is little/no shame in that ... considering the quality of those aforementioned names.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by JKD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JKD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disclaimer that there&#039;s nothing in this player&#039;s college history to indicate that the player would be as good as Jordan - also applies to the prospect of Michael Jordan ever becoming what he did. No one saw Jordan coming as GOAT, not really. He was one of a few dozen from the decade with that possibility, but not really much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disclaimer that there's nothing in this player's college history to indicate that the player would be as good as Jordan - also applies to the prospect of Michael Jordan ever becoming what he did. No one saw Jordan coming as GOAT, not really. He was one of a few dozen from the decade with that possibility, but not really much more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by Neil Paine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Paine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, this is evaluating their merits as SFs. Jordan was not a small forward, I simply included him as a point of comparison since Bias was being compared to him so heavily. So it&#039;s entirely possible that Walker was a better SF prospect than Jordan as NCAA juniors, since Jordan wasn&#039;t a SF and SGs have an entirely different set of criteria upon which they are judged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, this is evaluating their merits as SFs. Jordan was not a small forward, I simply included him as a point of comparison since Bias was being compared to him so heavily. So it's entirely possible that Walker was a better SF prospect than Jordan as NCAA juniors, since Jordan wasn't a SF and SGs have an entirely different set of criteria upon which they are judged.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Good Would Bias Have Been? by kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I would reply by saying that the statistics used above to evaluate players stink.  Out loud.  It makes it seem that Kenny Walker was better than Michael Jordan and Chris Mullin.  I&#039;d rather have anecdotal evidence than overtly wrong evidence like that.

And I don&#039;t have only anecdotal evidence.  As I said, I actually got to see him play live.  Twice.  The first time he was impressive.  The second time, he was so good, I was wondering if he was the best player I&#039;d ever seen.  And I go all the way back to the Russell days in Boston.

Having said that, I do think Simmons goes too far sometimes.  Bias &lt;i&gt;projecting&lt;/i&gt; as a superstar isn&#039;t the same as being one.  He would have had to develop some to become that.  But my opinion of him was it would have required no stretch of his abilities to develop.  Nothing like stretching Walker by hoping he&#039;d develop a jumpshot or hoping Person would become a better rebounder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would reply by saying that the statistics used above to evaluate players stink.  Out loud.  It makes it seem that Kenny Walker was better than Michael Jordan and Chris Mullin.  I'd rather have anecdotal evidence than overtly wrong evidence like that.</p>
<p>And I don't have only anecdotal evidence.  As I said, I actually got to see him play live.  Twice.  The first time he was impressive.  The second time, he was so good, I was wondering if he was the best player I'd ever seen.  And I go all the way back to the Russell days in Boston.</p>
<p>Having said that, I do think Simmons goes too far sometimes.  Bias <i>projecting</i> as a superstar isn't the same as being one.  He would have had to develop some to become that.  But my opinion of him was it would have required no stretch of his abilities to develop.  Nothing like stretching Walker by hoping he'd develop a jumpshot or hoping Person would become a better rebounder.</p>
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