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LeBron’s Incredible 1st Half

Posted by Neil Paine on January 19, 2009

A few months ago, we compared Kobe Bryant to the inimitable Michael Jordan, and we found that while Kobe is a phenomenal talent, his production simply doesn't compare to that of His Airness... Which basically came as a surprise to nobody but the most ardent of Kobe supporters.

Still, it's also important to note that even though it's tempting to put Bryant and Jordan side by side because of their similar aesthetic qualities (on and off the court), there are a number of fundamental differences in their respective games. Jordan, for instance, was a deadly midrange jump-shooter (particularly in his later years), but a rather pedestrian long-range threat -- aside from the seasons with the shortened 3-point arc, Jordan's career 3FG% was 28.8% (by contrast, Kobe is a career 34% shooter from 23'9"). The flip-side of that is that young Jordan settled for fewer long jumpers than Kobe, instead attacking the basket with ruthless ferocity.

Which brings us to the real topic of this post. We as a basketball culture have spent a lot of time searching for the "next Jordan," eventually settling on Bryant as "the closest we're going to get to Michael" among current players. Except we declared Kobe Jordanesque too soon -- little did we know there would be another guy out there who's an even better match for Jordan: LeBron James. For instance, like young Mike, James is less of an outside shooter and more inclined to attack the basket on powerful drives, and he relies on superior physical tools to create jaw-dropping chances around the rim. That's not the only similarity, though. After translation to this year's 107.9 league rating, here are LeBron and MJ's 1st 6 NBA seasons side by side...

Jordan---------------------------------------James---------------------------------------
Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg  Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----
1985 21 CHI 78 G   82 3144 117.8  29.5 106.7 2004 19 CLE 80 F   79 3122 103.9  28.0 109.5
1986 22 CHI 78 G   18  451 109.9  35.8 107.7 2005 20 CLE 80 F   80 3388 115.4  29.5 105.2
1987 23 CHI 78 G   82 3281 116.1  35.9 103.9 2006 21 CLE 80 F   79 3361 117.2  33.1 105.8
1988 24 CHI 78 G   82 3311 122.7  32.4 101.2 2007 22 CLE 80 F   78 3190 113.1  30.5 101.7
1989 25 CHI 78 G   81 3255 122.7  31.9 103.2 2008 23 CLE 80 F   75 3027 116.7  33.6 103.9
1990 26 CHI 78 G   82 3197 122.8  32.4 105.2 2009 24 CLE 80 F   38 1408 120.7  34.0  96.1
----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----

Before this season, LBJ was no more fitting an heir to Jordan's throne than Kobe (though it's worth noting that his age-23 performance wasn't too dissimilar to MJ's at the same age). This season, however, LeBron has really upped the ante, putting himself on equal footing (at worst) with Jordan regardless of whether you compare the two in their 6th NBA season or at age 24. How good has LeBron's season been so far? Well, for starters, Kobe has never had a year like James is having so far in '09:

Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----
1997 18 LAL 78 G   71 1103 102.2  24.2 106.4
1998 19 LAL 78 G   79 2056 113.1  26.1 109.1
1999 20 LAL 78 G   50 1896 112.4  24.7 110.0
2000 21 LAL 78 G   66 2524 114.5  26.3 101.6
2001 22 LAL 78 G   68 2783 117.2  30.6 110.0
2002 23 LAL 78 G   80 3063 115.4  30.0 106.1
2003 24 LAL 78 G   82 3402 116.0  32.0 106.8
2004 25 LAL 78 G   65 2447 117.8  28.5 106.5
2005 26 LAL 78 G   66 2689 113.1  31.6 113.2
2006 27 LAL 78 G   80 3276 115.4  36.5 107.1
2007 28 LAL 78 G   77 3140 116.9  32.6 110.6
2008 29 LAL 78 G   82 3192 115.4  30.6 105.1
2009 30 LAL 78 G   39 1419 115.7  31.1 106.5
----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----

And what about the other greats of the game that King James is sometimes compared to?

Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Magic  1980 20 LAL 80 G   77 2795 115.8  22.4 103.7
Magic  1981 21 LAL 80 G   37 1371 117.2  25.7 100.5
Magic  1982 22 LAL 80 G   78 2991 119.4  22.4 103.2
Magic  1983 23 LAL 80 G   79 2907 122.2  21.9 105.7
Magic  1984 24 LAL 80 G   67 2567 118.3  22.8 104.8
Magic  1985 25 LAL 80 G   77 2781 123.4  23.7 106.9
Magic  1986 26 LAL 80 G   72 2578 122.8  24.7 106.5
Magic  1987 27 LAL 80 G   80 2904 123.3  28.8 105.5
Magic  1988 28 LAL 80 G   72 2637 118.1  26.0 106.7
Magic  1989 29 LAL 80 G   77 2886 125.0  27.1 105.0
Magic  1990 30 LAL 80 G   79 2937 125.8  27.3 105.8
Magic  1991 31 LAL 80 G   79 2933 123.5  26.2 104.5
Magic  1996 36 LAL 80 G   32  958 117.1  24.9 107.3
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----
Erving 1972 21 VIR 78 F   84 3513 113.8  25.5 103.5
Erving 1973 22 VIR 78 F   71 2993 110.7  28.6 102.3
Erving 1974 23 NYA 78 F   84 3398 115.9  27.2  98.7
Erving 1975 24 NYA 78 F   84 3402 117.1  28.0  98.4
Erving 1976 25 NYA 78 F   84 3244 120.0  29.1 101.0
Erving 1977 26 PHI 78 F   82 2940 115.8  23.9 102.9
Erving 1978 27 PHI 78 F   74 2429 116.0  24.4 105.8
Erving 1979 28 PHI 78 F   78 2802 107.0  27.1 103.4
Erving 1980 29 PHI 78 F   78 2812 114.0  29.3 101.1
Erving 1981 30 PHI 78 F   82 2874 115.5  27.7  98.9
Erving 1982 31 PHI 78 F   81 2789 118.4  27.3 102.7
Erving 1983 32 PHI 78 F   72 2421 118.2  24.7 102.4
Erving 1984 33 PHI 78 F   77 2683 112.4  26.4 102.6
Erving 1985 34 PHI 78 F   78 2535 111.1  24.9 106.2
Erving 1986 35 PHI 78 F   74 2474 108.7  23.2 107.6
Erving 1987 36 PHI 78 F   60 1918 105.4  23.6 108.5
------+----+--+---+--+--+---+----+-----+-----+-----
Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
'Nique 1983 23 ATL 79 F   82 2697 107.1  23.0 107.7
'Nique 1984 24 ATL 79 F   81 2961 106.6  26.0 106.4
'Nique 1985 25 ATL 79 F   81 3023 106.7  30.4 107.0
'Nique 1986 26 ATL 79 F   78 3049 111.6  30.8 105.9
'Nique 1987 27 ATL 79 F   79 2969 114.9  30.3 106.0
'Nique 1988 28 ATL 79 F   78 2948 111.3  32.8 108.6
'Nique 1989 29 ATL 79 F   80 2997 114.4  27.6 108.5
'Nique 1990 30 ATL 79 F   80 2888 118.0  28.7 111.4
'Nique 1991 31 ATL 79 F   81 3078 116.3  27.1 108.8
'Nique 1992 32 ATL 79 F   42 1601 112.7  29.2 109.7
'Nique 1993 33 ATL 79 F   71 2647 118.5  29.9 112.0
'Nique 1994 34 ATL 79 F   49 1687 111.0  29.5 105.0
'Nique 1994 34 LAC 79 F   25  948 111.7  29.2 112.3
'Nique 1995 35 BOS 79 F   77 2423 106.3  25.4 112.1
'Nique 1997 37 SAS 79 F   63 1945 108.4  28.5 115.1
'Nique 1999 39 ORL 79 F   27  252  97.7  30.4 105.1
-------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Player  Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
-------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Barkley 1985 21 PHI 78 F   82 2347 113.7  20.4 104.6
Barkley 1986 22 PHI 78 F   80 2952 112.2  23.5 101.1
Barkley 1987 23 PHI 78 F   68 2740 118.1  24.9 103.5
Barkley 1988 24 PHI 78 F   80 3170 125.4  27.0 107.9
Barkley 1989 25 PHI 78 F   79 3088 127.2  25.4 108.6
Barkley 1990 26 PHI 78 F   79 3085 127.6  25.0 105.2
Barkley 1991 27 PHI 78 F   67 2498 122.7  29.4 106.1
Barkley 1992 28 PHI 78 F   75 2881 118.5  25.8 105.8
Barkley 1993 29 PHO 78 F   76 2859 120.2  26.9 102.5
Barkley 1994 30 PHO 78 F   65 2298 114.5  26.4 104.6
Barkley 1995 31 PHO 78 F   68 2382 118.2  27.1 105.0
Barkley 1996 32 PHO 78 F   71 2632 115.4  27.4 105.4
Barkley 1997 33 HOU 78 F   53 2009 118.6  24.4 101.1
Barkley 1998 34 HOU 78 F   68 2243 119.3  22.5 107.2
Barkley 1999 35 HOU 78 F   42 1526 121.5  23.8 105.6
Barkley 2000 36 HOU 78 F   20  620 114.3  23.2 108.3
-------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Bird   1980 23 BOS 81 F   82 2955 111.9  24.9 100.6
Bird   1981 24 BOS 81 F   82 3239 109.3  24.1 100.8
Bird   1982 25 BOS 81 F   77 2923 114.6  25.2 100.2
Bird   1983 26 BOS 81 F   79 2982 118.1  24.8 100.9
Bird   1984 27 BOS 81 F   79 3028 115.7  26.6 101.0
Bird   1985 28 BOS 81 F   80 3161 119.0  27.8 102.7
Bird   1986 29 BOS 81 F   82 3113 118.0  27.6  99.9
Bird   1987 30 BOS 81 F   74 3005 120.4  27.4 103.1
Bird   1988 31 BOS 81 F   76 2965 121.1  28.8 105.9
Bird   1989 32 BOS 81 F    6  189 109.8  25.4 107.4
Bird   1990 33 BOS 81 F   75 2944 110.4  27.0 104.8
Bird   1991 34 BOS 81 F   60 2277 108.5  23.7 103.2
Bird   1992 35 BOS 81 F   45 1662 111.6  24.7 104.0
-------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Player    Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
---------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Robertson 1961 22 CIN 77 G   71 3032 124.0  26.5 113.3
Robertson 1962 23 CIN 77 G   79 3503 123.8  26.5 109.7
Robertson 1963 24 CIN 77 G   80 3521 124.3  24.2 109.1
Robertson 1964 25 CIN 77 G   79 3559 126.4  27.3 107.3
Robertson 1965 26 CIN 77 G   75 3421 125.1  26.8 110.8
Robertson 1966 27 CIN 77 G   76 3493 122.7  26.1 110.6
Robertson 1967 28 CIN 77 G   79 3468 124.9  26.0 111.6
Robertson 1968 29 CIN 77 G   65 2765 124.4  26.0 114.1
Robertson 1969 30 CIN 77 G   79 3461 123.9  22.8 113.9
Robertson 1970 31 CIN 77 G   69 2865 120.5  22.7 110.0
Robertson 1971 32 MIL 77 G   81 3194 121.5  20.7 105.4
Robertson 1972 33 MIL 77 G   64 2390 117.2  20.6 104.2
Robertson 1973 34 MIL 77 G   73 2737 112.8  19.9 103.5
Robertson 1974 35 MIL 77 G   70 2477 112.4  18.0 107.7
---------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Baylor 1959 24 MNL 77 F   70 2855 116.0  25.9 106.1
Baylor 1960 25 MNL 77 F   70 2873 115.7  28.3 104.6
Baylor 1961 26 LAL 77 F   73 3133 117.7  30.6 101.6
Baylor 1962 27 LAL 77 F   48 2129 115.2  32.2 104.4
Baylor 1963 28 LAL 77 F   80 3370 118.7  30.7 105.6
Baylor 1964 29 LAL 77 F   78 3164 113.6  27.0 109.0
Baylor 1965 30 LAL 77 F   74 3056 110.4  28.6 108.8
Baylor 1966 31 LAL 77 F   65 1975 107.9  23.5 108.0
Baylor 1967 32 LAL 77 F   70 2706 112.7  25.9 107.6
Baylor 1968 33 LAL 77 F   77 3029 115.6  26.2 107.0
Baylor 1969 34 LAL 77 F   76 3064 114.4  25.8 106.9
Baylor 1970 35 LAL 77 F   54 2213 116.1  23.2 105.5
Baylor 1971 36 LAL 77 F    2   57  99.5  15.4 109.0
Baylor 1972 37 LAL 77 F    9  239 108.2  18.5 102.9
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----

Keep in mind that the old-timers' stats (pre-1974) are estimated, because the NBA didn't track a lot of the data required for calculation back then. Nonetheless, sit back and compare LeBron's 2008-09 season (so far) to the best years of these legends (Hall of Famers, all) -- not just through 6 seasons or age 24, but their very best years... I know it sounds like hyperbole, but who can match the season King James is having right now? Magic, Larry, Charles, Elgin, and Oscar have the efficiency, but they didn't have to take on as much offensive responsibility, and they can't match LBJ's defense so far in '09. Mike, Dr. J, Dominique, and Kobe have the usage, but none except MJ can touch LBJ's efficiency, and none had a defensive rating as low as LeBron's. If LeBron keeps up this performance, then John Hollinger is right, nobody in the modern era has been better. In fact, I'd go so far as to say only one player in NBA history can touch his performance:

Player Year Ag Tm  Ht Pos G  Min  ORtg  %Poss DRtg
------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----
Wilt   1960 23 PHW 85 C   72 3338 117.4  28.8  97.7
Wilt   1961 24 PHW 85 C   79 3773 120.9  27.1 100.8
Wilt   1962 25 PHW 85 C   80 3882 123.4  33.0 102.6
Wilt   1963 26 SFW 85 C   80 3806 123.3  32.0 104.0
Wilt   1964 27 SFW 85 C   80 3689 120.8  30.4  95.5
Wilt   1965 28 SFW 85 C   38 1743 111.3  32.1 101.1
Wilt   1965 28 PHI 85 C   35 1558 122.9  25.3 102.8
Wilt   1966 29 PHI 85 C   79 3737 122.6  25.9  98.1
Wilt   1967 30 PHI 85 C   81 3682 131.6  19.9  99.5
Wilt   1968 31 PHI 85 C   82 3836 119.9  21.5  97.3
Wilt   1969 32 LAL 85 C   81 3669 120.2  19.4 100.9
Wilt   1970 33 LAL 85 C   12  505 114.7  25.9 101.2
Wilt   1971 34 LAL 85 C   82 3630 118.2  19.0 100.9
Wilt   1972 35 LAL 85 C   82 3469 124.9  14.4  96.5
Wilt   1973 36 LAL 85 C   82 3542 133.3  12.3  96.7
-------+----+--+---+--+---+--+----+-----+-----+-----

So let's be thankful we have a chance to see such an amazing athlete in action. Nike got it right this time: we truly are all witnesses.

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314 Responses to “LeBron’s Incredible 1st Half”

  1. BlackMambo Says:

    "PIPPEN TOOK THE BULLS TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS WHEN JORDAN “RETIRED” sooooooo im the smartest here, first off..."

    - Bulls 93-94: Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals (4-3) versus New York Knickerbockers --- http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

  2. AreWeSerious Says:

    WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT? NOBODY GOT TO REPLACE JORDAN WHEN HE PLAYED BASEBALL FOR A YEAR, WHY WOULD WADE OR PIERCE BE ON THE LAKERS? I'M SAYING THIS RIGHT NOW. IF KOBE BEAN BRYANT WAS ON THE BULLS CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS INSTEAD OF MJ, HED HAVE VERY ACCOLADES. IF ANYONE SAW THE GAME AGAINST THE BOBCATS TONIGHT YOUD SEE IT. HE WAS CLUTCH AS HELL, FOULED OUT WITH THE LEAD WITH 50 SECONDS LEFT, THEN LOST BECAUSE LA HAS NO PLAYMAKERS. I WILL GIVE YOU THIS, BESIDES BILL RUSSEL, JORDAN IS THE BEST LEADER OF ALL TIME AND I SEE YOUR POINT. ITS ALMOST LIKE HIS TEAMATES (AND THE LAEGUE) WERE IN AW OF HIM, HE WAS THE FIRST TO BE UNSTOPPABLE THE WAY HE DID IT. AND WITH ALL THAT, THE "LEADER" ROLE BECOMES EASIER. IM NOT SURE HOW TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT THE LEAGUE TODAY IS NOT LIKE THAT. IF KOBE GETS MAD AT A TEAMATE AND YELLS AT HIM, THAT WOULD GET THEM DOWN. IF JORDAN YELLS AT A TEAMATE THEY WOULD SEE IT AS MOTIVATION. ILL GIVE YOU THE LEADER THING. BUT KOBE IS SO CLOSE TO MJ ITS SCARY. HE GETS IT DONE IN THE CLUTCH AND THOUGH HIS TEAM HAS THE 2 TOWERS, THEY LACK ANOTHER PLAYMAKING GAURD WHEN KOBES ON THE BENCH, (OR IN LAST NIGHTS GAMES CASE FOULED OUT). MY BAD FOR SAYIN WEAK ARGUMENT BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IM SAYIN IS TRUE. JUST WATCH THE GUY PLAY CONSISTANTLY, ULL SEE IT.

  3. AreWeSerious Says:

    *SIMILAR ACCOLADES

  4. MR JUAN_YOUR WARLOC Says:

    Yo Mike,
    Who the hell is Harold Miller?
    The Legend of The so-called Baby Jordan, was none other than The Infamous Harold Miner!
    Just a little tit for tat, to pump up your Encyclopedia of "Who's Who" of The Legendary Hops, in NBA Hoops History!

  5. BlackMambo Says:

    Point accepted. As i was saying, im just tired of all these MJ comparisons they give to lebron and kobe. all three of them possess mad skills that can will to take over games when needed (e.g. kobe in phili finals & olympics against spain and lebron in detroit conf finals). however, MJ surpasses them all by giving boost on his teammates development and confidence. imagine, steve kerr asked for the ball for the game winner during the finals with utah... that's confidence.

    as for the league today, leadership still plays a big part on to winning. nash inspired the suns (and even the league for the matter) to be an offensive force, KG brought out toughness in boston, duncan gave the spurs a winning tradition (tp flourished under this), howard makes his team hustle out every night, and paul just made his team believe they can win.

    lebron and kobe may have done this to their team, but i guess this belief only comes from the fact that they can "CARRY" their team. KG did that before in Minnesota, but he just got tired and gave up after.

    sure, the lakers last year toughed it out against boston. but the team just gave up on the last game. PLEASE SEE ALSO THE SERIES AGAINST THE SUNS when kobe stopped being a leader and they lost to the suns though they lead 3-1. im no kobe hater, in fact im a kobe fan. but if he does things like these, these would just impede his destiny for greatness and would just make his skills worthless. right now, though he has the right pieces in LA (even better than what MJ had, and i believe kobe can't lead the bulls with his attitude), unless kobe can lead them all the way, i still doubt theyd win.

    kobe is still in his prime, and can still prove me wrong.

    im just waiting.

  6. AreWeSerious Says:

    you got good knowledge BLACKMAMBO, I will admit, and Im the biggest Kobe fan you'll find, that his trust in teamates hasnt been great in the past, and he still may go about it the wrong way, but he wants to win. Thats where its coming from. Games like last night against the Bobcats, Kobe fouled out up by 3, and the Lakers D gave up a 3, when all they had to do was gaurd the lines. On the bench it looked like he lashed out at Odom for steppin back a foot or 2 and not gaurding Boris Diaw. Who wouldnt be pissed? I would of at least stepped in his grill, you can't make those mistakes. Kobe made some big "trust" passes down the stretch to Fisher and Sasha, he believes in his teamates, though sometimes it seems like his teamates dont believe that. Kobe has the right pieces, I wouldnt say better than Jordan. I would rather have another playmaker/can get his own shot (Pippen), than 2 big men with Kobe. I honestly feel that KB24 and Phil are gonna do this thing, and all this "Kobe can't get it done without Shaq" BS can stop. (CAN I SAY SHAQ NEED A CLUTCH GAURD TO HIT CLUTCH SHOTS AND NEVER CHALLENGED JORDAN WHEN HE WAS ON THE MAGIC)

    MJ had a mystique about him, obviously, and was the best leader off all time, alongside Bill Russel. If Kobe has any flaws in his game, it would be leadership. But I must tell you he has vastly improved it, and has the pieces to hoist another title as well as his first finals MVP.

  7. AreWeSerious Says:

    Yea I remeber that Suns series, He DID stop leading that team, but the game winner he hit in that series (on my birthday) seemed to good to be true. THAT TEAM WAS HORRIFIC. SMUSH, KWAME, WALTON, ODOM! That, you can use as an excuse, to an extent. But I know, it gets me pissed to see Kobe do that.

  8. AreWeSerious Says:

    Who's your favorite player/team?

  9. AreWeSerious Says:

    these days

  10. BlackMambo Says:

    Right now im just rooting for a hell of a conference finals series between cleveland and boston. though i'd like to see orlando and detroit in the mix, i'd still go for the cavs pushing against boston.

    as for the west, id like the suns and spurs go at it (who's the best oldies/veteran team, haha) while lakers face the hornets (and hopefully the hornets would be back in their fighting form at that time).

    a showdown between kobe and lebron in the finals would be a hell of a series, since both of them has this burden on being who's the next great thing after MJ. But i wouldnt mind a boston-san antonio finals either. i'd see two great proud teams going against each other. pure team play, pure excellence form tim and KG. a battle of which is the best BIG 3 in the league.

    i just appreciate basketball as much as anyone does.

  11. AreWeSerious Says:

    If Lebron was ever to beat Kobe in the finals I don't no what id do, which I can't see happening. Im going to predict the rivalry. Lakers against Celtics in the finals. A little revenge for a hungry Lakers team. I can't say enough how much Bynum and Ariza change things, that would make for a hell of a finals. Though Kobe V Lebron would be amazing, imagine a game 7 coming down to the last possesion. Of course Kobe nailing the game winner with a Jordan-esque like fist pump.

  12. the king Says:

    replying to comment 22....when lebron dunks on shaq? look at kg or duncan theyre both in their primes when they got dunked on by bron.. go ask them how they felt. and as for kobe look at the stats people kobe started winning games after gasol came to the lakers.brons been doing it since he came into the leauge he took a team like that to the finals single handedly. he made the trio of the celtics piss in their pants in game seven. what did kobe do? he probally kissed shaqs feet when he brang him the title.kobe is nothing with out a big man.how bout we gie bron dwight howard and we will see if they have enough fingers to put all the rings on by the time they both retire. kobe elite ? nope chris pauls elite. lebrons elite. wades elite. kobes santa claus and santa needs all his elves. lebron doesnt need nobody he puts it down by himself . lebron MVP

  13. ricardo Says:

    lm from the philippines and i love basketball. in my life, i never saw another player as great as MJ, i only felt and realized that someone is better than MJ even without any rings.. ----ITS LBJ23/ LEBRON JAMES THE KING OF BASKETBALL!!

  14. jie Says:

    This is the Race to MVP.

    Most(Played/Wins) x Value(Pts + Reb + As + Blk + Stl - TO - Missed FT -Missed FG) = Player

    B4 : RNK : M W x V = PLAYER

    01 : 01 : 38 W x 30.1 = 1143.8 LeBron James , CLE
    02 : 02 : 38 W x 25.2 = 957.6 Kobe Bryant , LAL
    03 : 03 : 34 W x 27.2 = 924.8 Dwight Howard , ORL
    06 : 04 : 37 W x 23.2 = 858.4 Pau Gasol , LAL
    04 : 05 : 38 W x 21.9 = 832.2 Kevin Garnett , BOS
    05 : 06 : 28 W x 29.4 = 823.2 Chris Paul , NOH
    07 : 07 : 33 W x 25.4 = 838.2 Tim Duncan , SAS
    08 : 08 : 41 W x 18.6 = 762.6 Paul Pierce , BOS
    09 : 09 : 41 W x 18.4 = 754.4 Rajon Rondo , BOS
    11 : 10 : 26 W x 27.2 = 707.2 Dwyane Wade , MIA
    13 : 11 : 41 W x 16.8 = 688.8 Ray Allen , BOS
    10 : 12 : 37 W x 18.6 = 688.2 Andrew Bynum , LAL
    12 : 13 : 36 W x 19.0 = 684.0 Rashard Lewis , ORL
    14 : 14 : 27 W x 25.0 = 675.0 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL
    15 : 16 : 32 W x 20.3 = 649.6 Nene Hilario , DEN
    16 : 17 : 33 W x 19.6 = 646.8 Chauncy Billups , DEN
    17 : 15 : 28 W x 22.8 = 638.4 Yao Ming , HOU
    18 : 18 : 36 W x 16.6 = 597.6 Hedo Turkoglu , ORL
    20 : 19 : 26 W x 22.8 = 592.8 Amare Stoudamire , PHX
    21 : 20 : 27 W x 21.9 = 591.3 Brandon Roy , POR
    19 : 21 : 32 W x 18.4 = 588.8 Jameer Nelson , ORL
    22 : 22 : 38 W x 14.9 = 566.2 Mo Williams , CLE
    24 : 23 : 28 W x 19.1 = 534.8 Jason Kidd , DAL

    NO GAME, LOST GAME -> NO POINT

    NO SHOWTIME, NO HISTORY, NO FAVORITISM, NO GUESSING, NO STORIES

    JUST MOST WINS X NUMBERS

    My TOP Players last year from that computation were KB24 & CP3