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Best Game Scores of 1985-86

Posted by Neil Paine on March 30, 2011

Since we now have boxscore data from the 1985-86 regular season on the site, I thought it'd be fun to look at the top 50 individual single-game performances of that season according to the various "game score" metrics out there. First, here were the top games by John Hollinger's game score:

Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt JHGS
1 Clyde Drexler 3/14/1986 POR DAL 46 17 23 1 3 6 9 4 8 15 3 1 2 2 41 45.9
2 World B. Free 3/29/1986 CLE ATL 39 16 23 3 3 8 8 1 6 11 1 1 0 3 43 43.7
3 Larry Nance 3/10/1986 PHO DET 40 19 26 0 0 6 6 1 6 4 2 5 1 2 44 42.1
4 Alex English 11/19/1985 DEN HOU 37 21 30 0 0 12 12 1 4 1 0 0 1 3 54 41.5
5 Dominique Wilkins 4/10/1986 ATL NJN 38 21 37 0 0 15 19 4 5 1 3 0 3 1 57 41.3
6 Kevin Willis 3/11/1986 ATL DEN 40 16 23 0 0 7 8 14 21 2 0 1 1 3 39 40.7
7 Hakeem Olajuwon 4/1/1986 HOU GSW 43 16 21 0 0 2 7 8 22 5 4 7 4 3 34 40.7
8 Dominique Wilkins 12/21/1985 ATL HOU 47 19 32 1 2 10 10 4 11 1 3 0 2 1 49 40.4
9 Mike Gminski 4/9/1986 NJN BOS 44 15 23 0 0 11 12 7 22 3 0 1 2 2 41 39.9
10 Isiah Thomas 2/15/1986 DET PHI 46 13 21 1 1 7 9 1 3 16 6 0 1 4 34 39.6
11 Larry Bird 3/18/1986 BOS CLE 29 17 24 5 6 4 4 0 8 3 3 0 1 0 43 39.5
12 Moses Malone 2/25/1986 PHI CHI 38 13 25 0 0 16 16 5 15 1 1 7 3 1 42 39.4
13 Charles Oakley 3/15/1986 CHI MIL 44 14 27 0 0 7 9 18 26 7 3 1 4 3 35 39.3
14 Orlando Woolridge 1/25/1986 CHI PHO 41 18 27 1 1 7 10 1 7 3 2 3 0 2 44 39.0
15 Hakeem Olajuwon 11/5/1985 HOU POR 42 14 25 0 0 13 17 11 18 2 1 3 2 2 41 39.0
16 Adrian Dantley 3/14/1986 UTA SAS 39 20 26 0 2 7 10 0 3 8 2 0 4 4 47 38.5
17 Larry Bird 2/14/1986 BOS POR 49 21 34 3 3 2 3 3 14 11 1 2 8 1 47 38.3
18 Alvin Robertson 12/21/1985 SAS DEN 43 14 19 1 1 12 14 2 8 8 4 1 6 5 41 38.0
19 K. Abdul-Jabbar 2/2/1986 LAL NYK 40 15 22 0 0 10 10 1 3 4 1 6 1 3 40 37.7
20 Larry Bird 11/27/1985 BOS DET 39 17 31 0 0 13 13 5 12 2 2 0 3 3 47 36.9
21 Magic Johnson 3/8/1986 LAL SAC 53 13 23 1 1 6 11 1 5 17 4 1 1 2 33 36.8
22 Larry Bird 3/10/1986 BOS DAL 40 18 33 4 7 10 11 3 11 5 1 0 5 3 50 36.5
23 Isiah Thomas 1/7/1986 DET BOS 46 16 29 1 1 6 7 5 6 13 1 1 2 3 39 36.1
24 M. R. Richardson 10/30/1985 NJN IND 54 15 31 0 2 8 12 1 11 11 9 0 3 5 38 36.1
25 Adrian Dantley 11/27/1985 UTA CHI 38 12 17 0 0 14 16 1 4 8 1 0 2 1 38 35.9
Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt JHGS
26 Charles Barkley 1/22/1986 PHI PHO 44 8 12 2 3 11 15 6 14 7 5 4 4 4 29 35.9
27 Hakeem Olajuwon 3/22/1986 HOU NYK 35 12 18 0 0 9 15 9 23 2 7 4 7 4 33 35.9
28 Alvin Robertson 1/4/1986 SAS GSW 39 10 12 0 0 14 15 1 5 8 4 1 4 4 34 35.8
29 Larry Bird 3/16/1986 BOS PHI 39 16 25 3 4 1 2 5 14 6 3 0 1 3 36 35.7
30 Moses Malone 12/20/1985 PHI UTA 38 9 17 0 0 19 22 4 16 1 2 2 2 1 37 35.6
31 Reggie Theus 3/11/1986 SAC SAS 36 13 18 0 0 7 7 0 6 18 0 0 3 4 33 35.4
32 Reggie Theus 3/12/1986 SAC DAL 44 10 17 0 0 12 12 3 14 15 2 0 6 2 32 35.2
33 Rolando Blackman 3/12/1986 DAL SAC 46 19 32 0 0 8 10 1 2 5 1 0 1 1 46 34.5
34 Ralph Sampson 3/6/1986 HOU SAC 46 14 19 0 1 7 11 7 16 2 2 3 4 1 35 34.4
35 Charles Barkley 4/11/1986 PHI IND 39 10 14 1 1 8 10 4 19 9 5 4 7 6 29 34.4
36 Larry Bird 2/19/1986 BOS GSW 44 14 23 1 3 7 9 1 12 11 0 1 2 2 36 34.3
37 Adrian Dantley 4/1/1986 UTA LAC 40 18 27 0 0 6 7 2 4 6 1 0 2 2 42 34.3
38 Xavier McDaniel 1/11/1986 SEA LAL 38 12 23 0 0 12 12 5 14 4 1 0 0 1 36 34.3
39 Purvis Short 3/8/1986 GSW CLE 42 12 20 1 2 14 16 1 7 4 1 1 1 2 39 34.2
40 K. Abdul-Jabbar 3/19/1986 LAL LAC 37 16 22 0 0 2 2 1 5 8 2 3 1 4 34 34.0
41 Hakeem Olajuwon 11/27/1985 HOU LAC 45 11 20 0 0 14 18 5 15 2 1 7 3 4 36 34.0
42 Rolando Blackman 2/17/1986 DAL NJN 40 10 13 0 1 22 23 1 2 0 0 2 5 0 42 33.9
43 Dominique Wilkins 1/7/1986 ATL LAC 43 11 19 0 0 15 15 4 7 1 4 1 3 1 37 33.8
44 Herb Williams 3/17/1986 IND NYK 35 15 26 0 0 10 11 1 14 5 1 3 4 2 40 33.8
45 Ralph Sampson 1/15/1986 HOU SAS 48 12 15 0 0 6 9 3 8 7 2 0 0 0 30 33.6
46 Dominique Wilkins 11/1/1985 ATL BOS 41 16 32 0 2 8 10 6 10 4 5 0 2 2 40 33.6
47 Hakeem Olajuwon 12/7/1985 HOU CHI 47 14 23 0 0 5 7 8 15 3 1 6 2 3 33 33.5
48 Isiah Thomas 10/26/1985 DET CHI 39 10 21 0 1 16 20 2 6 9 5 1 4 2 36 33.5
49 Dominique Wilkins 3/19/1986 ATL SAS 43 15 28 1 3 7 8 1 5 8 5 1 3 2 38 33.4
50 Kiki Vandeweghe 2/1/1986 POR LAC 34 14 17 0 0 8 9 1 5 6 1 0 3 0 36 33.4

Next up, the "APM Value" metric I concocted in this post:

Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt VAL
1 Clyde Drexler 3/14/1986 POR DAL 46 17 23 1 3 6 9 4 8 15 3 1 2 2 41 1524
2 World B. Free 3/29/1986 CLE ATL 39 16 23 3 3 8 8 1 6 11 1 1 0 3 43 1441
3 Larry Bird 3/18/1986 BOS CLE 29 17 24 5 6 4 4 0 8 3 3 0 1 0 43 1408
4 Larry Nance 3/10/1986 PHO DET 40 19 26 0 0 6 6 1 6 4 2 5 1 2 44 1402
5 Isiah Thomas 2/15/1986 DET PHI 46 13 21 1 1 7 9 1 3 16 6 0 1 4 34 1391
6 Hakeem Olajuwon 4/1/1986 HOU GSW 43 16 21 0 0 2 7 8 22 5 4 7 4 3 34 1391
7 Magic Johnson 3/8/1986 LAL SAC 53 13 23 1 1 6 11 1 5 17 4 1 1 2 33 1287
8 Orlando Woolridge 1/25/1986 CHI PHO 41 18 27 1 1 7 10 1 7 3 2 3 0 2 44 1286
9 Magic Johnson 1/5/1986 LAL WSB 25 7 10 0 0 4 4 1 8 17 4 0 1 0 18 1265
10 M. R. Richardson 10/30/1985 NJN IND 54 15 31 0 2 8 12 1 11 11 9 0 3 5 38 1196
11 John Lucas 12/21/1985 HOU ATL 34 10 15 5 6 4 6 0 2 11 4 0 1 2 29 1189
12 Dominique Wilkins 12/21/1985 ATL HOU 47 19 32 1 2 10 10 4 11 1 3 0 2 1 49 1186
13 Lewis Lloyd 11/12/1985 HOU DEN 36 10 12 0 0 6 6 4 9 5 3 0 0 0 26 1186
14 Ralph Sampson 1/15/1986 HOU SAS 48 12 15 0 0 6 9 3 8 7 2 0 0 0 30 1184
15 Charles Barkley 1/22/1986 PHI PHO 44 8 12 2 3 11 15 6 14 7 5 4 4 4 29 1184
16 K. Abdul-Jabbar 2/2/1986 LAL NYK 40 15 22 0 0 10 10 1 3 4 1 6 1 3 40 1176
17 Larry Bird 3/16/1986 BOS PHI 39 16 25 3 4 1 2 5 14 6 3 0 1 3 36 1170
18 Maurice Cheeks 1/6/1986 PHI SAS 46 9 11 0 0 5 5 2 4 13 5 0 2 2 23 1167
19 Moses Malone 2/25/1986 PHI CHI 38 13 25 0 0 16 16 5 15 1 1 7 3 1 42 1164
20 Mike Gminski 4/9/1986 NJN BOS 44 15 23 0 0 11 12 7 22 3 0 1 2 2 41 1154
21 Danny Ainge 12/4/1985 BOS NJN 30 9 10 2 2 6 6 0 3 5 5 1 2 1 26 1144
22 Clyde Drexler 1/18/1986 POR PHO 31 8 10 0 0 8 8 3 6 12 3 0 1 2 24 1138
23 Larry Bird 4/2/1986 BOS DET 35 12 22 3 6 2 2 4 11 13 2 1 1 2 29 1124
24 Alvin Robertson 3/7/1986 SAS LAC 33 15 18 0 0 0 1 4 11 4 4 1 1 4 30 1121
25 Kevin Willis 3/11/1986 ATL DEN 40 16 23 0 0 7 8 14 21 2 0 1 1 3 39 1114
Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt VAL
26 Larry Nance 11/29/1985 PHO HOU 44 10 16 0 0 10 14 3 11 6 2 5 2 1 30 1112
27 Alex English 11/19/1985 DEN HOU 37 21 30 0 0 12 12 1 4 1 0 0 1 3 54 1105
28 Marques Johnson 4/9/1986 LAC DEN 42 15 21 0 0 2 2 2 6 7 3 2 2 1 32 1101
29 Magic Johnson 11/20/1985 LAL LAC 35 9 12 0 0 4 5 4 9 20 1 0 2 2 22 1099
30 Mike Woodson 3/6/1986 SAC HOU 36 16 20 0 0 2 4 4 4 4 3 0 0 2 34 1098
31 K. Abdul-Jabbar 3/19/1986 LAL LAC 37 16 22 0 0 2 2 1 5 8 2 3 1 4 34 1095
32 Isiah Thomas 2/17/1986 DET UTA 37 14 22 0 1 3 4 2 4 8 4 1 1 1 31 1090
33 Hakeem Olajuwon 1/7/1986 HOU GSW 40 11 18 0 0 4 6 5 12 7 2 11 3 4 26 1088
34 Moses Malone 12/20/1985 PHI UTA 38 9 17 0 0 19 22 4 16 1 2 2 2 1 37 1086
35 Ricky Pierce 3/28/1986 MIL PHI 29 14 18 1 1 2 2 2 5 3 4 0 0 3 31 1085
36 Hakeem Olajuwon 3/22/1986 HOU NYK 35 12 18 0 0 9 15 9 23 2 7 4 7 4 33 1085
37 Alvin Robertson 1/4/1986 SAS GSW 39 10 12 0 0 14 15 1 5 8 4 1 4 4 34 1082
38 Rory Sparrow 11/23/1985 NYK BOS 39 12 14 1 1 2 2 2 2 13 1 0 1 1 27 1078
39 Charles Barkley 4/4/1986 PHI CLE 43 12 18 0 2 3 9 7 22 10 0 2 1 2 27 1071
40 Jay Humphries 2/4/1986 PHO GSW 35 7 11 0 0 3 4 1 3 15 5 0 1 1 17 1068
41 Wes Matthews 3/7/1986 SAS LAC 34 11 16 0 0 0 0 1 7 16 3 1 2 2 22 1065
42 Adrian Dantley 11/27/1985 UTA CHI 38 12 17 0 0 14 16 1 4 8 1 0 2 1 38 1064
43 Hakeem Olajuwon 11/5/1985 HOU POR 42 14 25 0 0 13 17 11 18 2 1 3 2 2 41 1059
44 Karl Malone 3/22/1986 UTA PHO 38 10 17 0 0 7 12 2 12 4 6 0 1 2 27 1050
45 Dominique Wilkins 4/10/1986 ATL NJN 38 21 37 0 0 15 19 4 5 1 3 0 3 1 57 1049
46 Johnny Moore 12/5/1985 SAS DAL 40 7 9 0 0 0 2 1 3 14 5 1 1 1 14 1045
47 Rickey Green 4/12/1986 UTA DEN 24 11 12 0 0 5 5 1 4 6 2 0 1 0 27 1039
48 Charles Barkley 4/11/1986 PHI IND 39 10 14 1 1 8 10 4 19 9 5 4 7 6 29 1038
49 Larry Bird 2/19/1986 BOS GSW 44 14 23 1 3 7 9 1 12 11 0 1 2 2 36 1035
50 Xavier McDaniel 1/11/1986 SEA LAL 38 12 23 0 0 12 12 5 14 4 1 0 0 1 36 1035

Finally, the leaders according to "Alternate Win Score", Dan Rosenbaum/David Lewin's more predictive modification to Dave Berri's Win Score (AWS = Pts + 0.7 * OR + 0.3 * DR + Stl + 0.5 * Blk + 0.5 * Ast - 0.7 * FG missed - FG - 0.35 * FT missed - 0.5 * FT - TO - 0.5 * PF):

Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt AWS
1 Clyde Drexler 3/14/1986 POR DAL 46 17 23 1 3 6 9 4 8 15 3 1 2 2 41 27.8
2 Hakeem Olajuwon 4/1/1986 HOU GSW 43 16 21 0 0 2 7 8 22 5 4 7 4 3 34 26.1
3 World B. Free 3/29/1986 CLE ATL 39 16 23 3 3 8 8 1 6 11 1 1 0 3 43 25.8
4 Kevin Willis 3/11/1986 ATL DEN 40 16 23 0 0 7 8 14 21 2 0 1 1 3 39 25.2
5 Larry Bird 3/18/1986 BOS CLE 29 17 24 5 6 4 4 0 8 3 3 0 1 0 43 25.0
6 Charles Oakley 3/15/1986 CHI MIL 44 14 27 0 0 7 9 18 26 7 3 1 4 3 35 24.2
7 Larry Nance 3/10/1986 PHO DET 40 19 26 0 0 6 6 1 6 4 2 5 1 2 44 23.8
8 Isiah Thomas 2/15/1986 DET PHI 46 13 21 1 1 7 9 1 3 16 6 0 1 4 34 23.5
9 Mike Gminski 4/9/1986 NJN BOS 44 15 23 0 0 11 12 7 22 3 0 1 2 2 41 23.0
10 Larry Bird 3/16/1986 BOS PHI 39 16 25 3 4 1 2 5 14 6 3 0 1 3 36 22.6
11 Charles Barkley 1/22/1986 PHI PHO 44 8 12 2 3 11 15 6 14 7 5 4 4 4 29 22.4
12 Dominique Wilkins 12/21/1985 ATL HOU 47 19 32 1 2 10 10 4 11 1 3 0 2 1 49 21.8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 11/5/1985 HOU POR 42 14 25 0 0 13 17 11 18 2 1 3 2 2 41 21.7
14 Hakeem Olajuwon 3/22/1986 HOU NYK 35 12 18 0 0 9 15 9 23 2 7 4 7 4 33 21.7
15 Orlando Woolridge 1/25/1986 CHI PHO 41 18 27 1 1 7 10 1 7 3 2 3 0 2 44 21.7
16 Lewis Lloyd 11/12/1985 HOU DEN 36 10 12 0 0 6 6 4 9 5 3 0 0 0 26 21.4
17 Magic Johnson 1/5/1986 LAL WSB 25 7 10 0 0 4 4 1 8 17 4 0 1 0 18 21.2
18 Magic Johnson 3/8/1986 LAL SAC 53 13 23 1 1 6 11 1 5 17 4 1 1 2 33 21.2
19 Ralph Sampson 1/15/1986 HOU SAS 48 12 15 0 0 6 9 3 8 7 2 0 0 0 30 21.0
20 Alvin Robertson 3/7/1986 SAS LAC 33 15 18 0 0 0 1 4 11 4 4 1 1 4 30 21.0
21 John Lucas 12/21/1985 HOU ATL 34 10 15 5 6 4 6 0 2 11 4 0 1 2 29 20.9
22 Larry Bird 4/2/1986 BOS DET 35 12 22 3 6 2 2 4 11 13 2 1 1 2 29 20.9
23 Charles Barkley 1/8/1986 PHI LAC 38 11 15 0 1 7 10 11 16 3 5 2 5 3 29 20.9
24 Magic Johnson 11/20/1985 LAL LAC 35 9 12 0 0 4 5 4 9 20 1 0 2 2 22 20.9
25 Maurice Cheeks 1/6/1986 PHI SAS 46 9 11 0 0 5 5 2 4 13 5 0 2 2 23 20.6
Rk Player Date Tm Opp Mp Fg A 3p A Ft A Or Tr As St Bk To Pf Pt AWS
26 Moses Malone 2/25/1986 PHI CHI 38 13 25 0 0 16 16 5 15 1 1 7 3 1 42 20.6
27 Clyde Drexler 1/18/1986 POR PHO 31 8 10 0 0 8 8 3 6 12 3 0 1 2 24 20.6
28 Charles Barkley 4/4/1986 PHI CLE 43 12 18 0 2 3 9 7 22 10 0 2 1 2 27 20.6
29 Alex English 11/19/1985 DEN HOU 37 21 30 0 0 12 12 1 4 1 0 0 1 3 54 20.3
30 Mike Woodson 3/6/1986 SAC HOU 36 16 20 0 0 2 4 4 4 4 3 0 0 2 34 20.3
31 Charles Barkley 4/11/1986 PHI IND 39 10 14 1 1 8 10 4 19 9 5 4 7 6 29 20.3
32 Larry Bird 4/8/1986 BOS MIL 31 10 13 0 0 6 6 8 14 7 1 0 2 1 26 20.3
33 Ralph Sampson 3/6/1986 HOU SAC 46 14 19 0 1 7 11 7 16 2 2 3 4 1 35 20.2
34 Rory Sparrow 11/23/1985 NYK BOS 39 12 14 1 1 2 2 2 2 13 1 0 1 1 27 20.0
35 Alvin Robertson 12/21/1985 SAS DEN 43 14 19 1 1 12 14 2 8 8 4 1 6 5 41 20.0
36 Larry Bird 2/14/1986 BOS POR 49 21 34 3 3 2 3 3 14 11 1 2 8 1 47 20.0
37 K. Abdul-Jabbar 2/2/1986 LAL NYK 40 15 22 0 0 10 10 1 3 4 1 6 1 3 40 19.9
38 Charles Barkley 3/1/1986 PHI DEN 44 12 17 1 2 2 2 6 18 6 6 2 7 3 27 19.8
39 Dale Ellis 3/18/1986 DAL SAS 32 10 14 6 7 2 2 4 8 5 1 0 1 2 28 19.7
40 Danny Ainge 12/4/1985 BOS NJN 30 9 10 2 2 6 6 0 3 5 5 1 2 1 26 19.7
41 Alvin Robertson 1/4/1986 SAS GSW 39 10 12 0 0 14 15 1 5 8 4 1 4 4 34 19.7
42 Ricky Pierce 3/28/1986 MIL PHI 29 14 18 1 1 2 2 2 5 3 4 0 0 3 31 19.5
43 Marques Johnson 4/9/1986 LAC DEN 42 15 21 0 0 2 2 2 6 7 3 2 2 1 32 19.4
44 Vern Fleming 11/2/1985 IND DET 40 12 17 0 0 3 4 7 11 9 3 0 3 2 27 19.3
45 Moses Malone 12/20/1985 PHI UTA 38 9 17 0 0 19 22 4 16 1 2 2 2 1 37 19.3
46 Hakeem Olajuwon 12/7/1985 HOU CHI 47 14 23 0 0 5 7 8 15 3 1 6 2 3 33 19.2
47 K. Abdul-Jabbar 3/19/1986 LAL LAC 37 16 22 0 0 2 2 1 5 8 2 3 1 4 34 19.2
48 Jeff Ruland 11/15/1985 WSB BOS 40 11 17 0 0 8 8 7 17 6 1 2 3 3 30 19.2
49 Adrian Dantley 3/14/1986 UTA SAS 39 20 26 0 2 7 10 0 3 8 2 0 4 4 47 19.2
50 M. R. Richardson 10/30/1985 NJN IND 54 15 31 0 2 8 12 1 11 11 9 0 3 5 38 19.1

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29 Responses to “Best Game Scores of 1985-86”

  1. AHL Says:

    Heh, was this a trial run of your PDF-to-database conversion? Any target date of completion for all NBA history? =)

  2. Jared Ras Says:

    I'm surprised Larry Bird's 47-point triple-double was only #17.

    Still, great to see more individual box scores added to the site!

  3. Jason J Says:

    Killer. Look at Rookie Charles Oakley getting 35 and 26 in a loss... He's like the Kevin Love of 1986...Except he played defense.

  4. ElGee Says:

    Neil - nice to see these additions. A tip of the cap to Oakley's 35-26-7 and Drexler's 41-15.

    What are the chances of seeing playoff box scores added for before 1991?

  5. AYC Says:

    Well, Bird had 8 turnovers in that game. Michael Ray Richardson is the one that stands out to me: 38/11/11 with 9 steals!? And this turned out to be his last season....

  6. Math2 Says:

    My favorite NBA season. Thanks!!!!!!!!

  7. Matt Says:

    The season that Jordan missed with the injury, or I'm sure he would have been on there a few times.

  8. Mel_Farr Says:

    Ok so at #2 we have world b. free, i looked him up and noticed that in 1979 he averaged 29ppg and didn't make the all star team [!]

  9. Brian Says:

    Anyone note Michael Ray Richardson (#24 on JHGS)getting to within one steal of a quadruple double; which to my knowledge has never been recorded in the annals of the NBA

  10. Cort Says:

    oakley didnt shoot or pass nearly as well as kevin love though...

  11. Cort Says:

    lloyd free (he wasnt world b yet) did make 2nd team all-nba in the post-season awards for 1978-79 after scoring 28.8 ppg for the san diego clippers, who were 39-43. but he didnt deserve it ahead of dennis johnson, a much better all-around player who led seattle to the title that year. or other better guards like david thompson and doug collins either. he came over to SD from the 76ers to play for gene shue, who previously coached him in philly on their 1977 finals runner-up team.

  12. Sean Says:

    Oak Tree is definitely one of the top 20 rebounders in basketball history. You should take a look at the man's numbers in college.

  13. Sean Says:

    Richardson's game was triple overtime. He received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating its drug policies for like the second or third time.

    Alvin Robertson posted a quadruple double in this season.

  14. Cort Says:

    oakley was a fine rebounder...not sure if he is top 20 though. maybe among forwards only. his college stats were compiled against less than great competition...

  15. Sean Says:

    yes, but his college numbers are insane. he was .01 rebounds per game away from leading the league in 1987-88 and that's because Michael Cage grabbed 30 in the last game of the season. Oakley's rebounding is terrific on a super-slow paced Knicks team under Pat Riley and always playing with Ewing in the middle. He'd make my top 20.

  16. Cort Says:

    oakley 14 rpg in college, 9.5 in NBA; bird for instance averaged 10 rpg in his career while playing with better rebounders on his own team than oakley (parish, mchale) and averaged over 13 rpg in college against better competition. does bird make your top 20? there have to be several centers and C-Fs with better or as good rebounding numbers than oakley off the top of my head - russell, wilt, moses, cowens, unseld, bellamy, lucas, reed, thurmond, hayes, sikma, robinson, duncan.

  17. Sean Says:

    I want to thank the gods of this site for expanding to the 1985-86 season. Keep expanding! You gotta get all of the 80s in ASAP!

  18. Sean Says:

    How about the Bird 3/18/86 game? 43 pts in 29 minutes. That minute total is the lowest (by 5 minutes!) on the list and he added 8 rebs, 3 asst & 3 stls with just 1 TO.

    And that's only 11th. Imagine if Larry Legend was interested in compiling stats!

  19. Cort Says:

    yea i agree. larry legend was the best. could have scored much more had he not been so unselfish. best passing forward ever, by far. and an underrated top-notch rebounder. larry sacrificed his offensive rebounding when mchale emerged in the double low post offense with parish to play on the perimeter mostly and be the guy who always got back vs. the fast break. but early in his career he was very tough on the offensive glass. check out the 1981 finals. 21 rebounds in game 1 i believe, including 2 big off rebounds in the final seconds before he made the winning lefty reverse.

  20. Dickie Dunn Says:

    Aw...nice to see some boxes from the days when teams got up and down the court...some played D, most didn't, and teams dropped 100 without breaking a sweat. Love some of these sick lines from players...Mike Gminski dropping 41 and 22, Barkley one board and one dime short of a 20-20-10 game.

    These were the days...

  21. P Middy Says:

    THE GYLDE.

  22. Matt Says:

    @9 4 players have recorded a quadruple double, including one that season.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_%28basketball%29#Quadruple-double

  23. Tmckelv Says:

    @9,

    4 quadruple doubles...

    1) Nate Thurmond, October 18, 1974, Chicago vs. Atlanta; 22 points, 14 rebounds, 13 assists, 12 blocks.[1]

    2) Alvin Robertson, February 18, 1986, San Antonio vs. Phoenix; 20 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals.[2]

    3) Hakeem Olajuwon, March 29, 1990, Houston vs. Milwaukee; 18 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists, 11 blocks.[3]

    4) David Robinson, February 17, 1994, San Antonio vs. Detroit; 34 points, 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 blocks.[4]

    2 are Spurs. Only Robertson had 10 steals, the other 3 guys had 10+ blocks.

  24. Sean Says:

    I believe in 1985 against Utah Larry Bird has something like 32 pts, 12 rebs, 10 assts & NINE steals... AFTER THE 3RD QUARTER.

    He then decided to sit out the entire 4th Quarter. He would have been only the 2nd recorded quadruple doubler after Thurmond------and the ONLY forward to do it... STILL.

    He was asked 'why?' he didn't go for the quadruple double after the game-----and he simply replied that the were up 'by 30' and that he had done enough.

    Image if Bird gave a darn about personal stats to the extent that SO many players do. He didn't care. But if he DID... and he inflated his own numbers more-----you gotta wonder where some people would have him rated relative to where they do currently.

  25. Sean Says:

    @16

    When I look at rebounders, I always consider their role and how that might hinder or help them. Rodman never looked for the ball. He was positioning himself for a rebound the moment after his team crossed half court. Compare that to an Olajuwon who was the focal point of his team's offense. Had Olajuwon been told to simply get rebounds, there's no telling what he would have done in the mid-late 80s, early 90s. Bird was the primary weapon on offense. That hurts your offensive rebounding chances---especially if you shoot from the perimeter like he did, VS, say Moses Malone, who got a few extra rebounds 'playing catch with the rim' and getting his own misses inside (not that Moses wasn't a great rebounder). Oakley was pretty much a rebounder as a role player---not to the ridiculous extent that Rodman was, but that was his primary job more than scoring and/ or distributing.

  26. Sean Says:

    There it is:

    On February 18, 1985, Bird registered a triple double (30 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists) and also had 9 steals in three quarters of play against the Utah Jazz. Bird sat out the fourth quarter, as the Celtics led 90-66 after the third quarter and won the game 110–94. When asked by reporters if he actually wanted to play in the 4th quarter to get the quadruple double, Bird said "What for? I already did enough damage to them."

  27. Cort Says:

    sean,i totally agree with you about bird. easily could have had the quadruple double but he was about winning without personal aggrandizement. had he shot as much as jordan, iverson and others, his stats would have been even gaudier.

  28. Julius Says:

    And what about Akeem (at that time he still spelled it that way) and Charles (2x) nearly posting 5 by 5? By that time no one had done it. Akeem recorded a 5-by-5 for the first time the following season...

  29. Julius Says:

    ...Although one could argue that Charles actually posted it on 4/11/1986 if accounting for TO.... or PF! Monstruous stats line that night!