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This is a community-based project with the goal of rating the best players in NBA history. In the matchup below, choose the player who you believe was the better player. It is up to you to determine how much weight to give to offense versus defense, peak value versus career value, regular season versus playoffs, etc.

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Current Top Five (All-Time):
1. Michael Jordan (2048)
2. Tim Duncan (2043)
3. Magic Johnson (2032)
4. David Robinson (2018)
5. Julius Erving (2006)
Current Top Five (Active):
1. Tim Duncan (2043)
2. Kevin Durant (1990)
3. LeBron James (1952)
4. Chris Paul (1945)
5. Kobe Bryant (1941)

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  Tale of the Tape
  Guy Rodgers Norm Van Lier
Pos G G
Height 6-0 6-1
Weight 185 173
Draft 1958 1969 (34th)
Debut Dec 11, 1958 Oct 15, 1969
Years 12 10
All-Star 4 3
All-NBA 0 1 (0/1/0)
All-Def 0 8 (3/5)
MVP 0 0
Champ 0 0
HoF Yes No
Adjusted Win Shares*
(Best → Worst)
Rk Guy Rodgers Norm Van Lier
1 6.3 7.7
2 5.0 7.7
3 4.8 6.0
4 4.1 5.6
5 2.9 5.5
6 2.5 5.2
7 2.7 3.8
8 2.4 3.2
9 2.1 2.1
10 1.3 1.1
11 0.6
12 -0.2
Wt Sum** 28.7 40.1

* Adjusted for schedule length
** 1 × best + 0.95 × 2nd-best + …

  Regular Season
  Guy Rodgers Norm Van Lier
G 892 746
MP 28663 26171
PTS 10415 8770
TRB 3791 3596
AST 6917 5217
STL 767
BLK 71
TOV 249
 Per Game
MP 32.1 35.1
PTS 11.7 11.8
TRB 4.3 4.8
AST 7.8 7.0
STL 1.8
BLK 0.2
TOV 2.1
 Shooting
FG% .378 .414
3P%
eFG% .378 .414
FT% .721 .780
TS% .426 .476
 Advanced
PER 13.5 14.0
TRB% 6.9
AST% 35.6 27.0
STL% 2.5
BLK% 0.3
TOV% 26.9
USG% 12.1
ORtg 101
DRtg 98
OWS -5.3 13.7
DWS 38.6 34.1
WS 33.3 47.8
WS/48 .056 .088

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  Playoffs
  Guy Rodgers Norm Van Lier
G 46 38
MP 1557 1549
PTS 508 530
TRB 237 191
AST 286 234
STL 47
BLK 9
TOV
 Per Game
MP 33.8 40.8
PTS 11.0 13.9
TRB 5.2 5.0
AST 6.2 6.2
STL 1.7
BLK 0.3
TOV
 Shooting
FG% .350 .389
3P%
eFG% .350 .389
FT% .640 .784
TS% .396 .454
 Advanced
PER 11.3 13.4
TRB% 6.3
AST% 24.8 22.7
STL% 2.0
BLK% 0.4
TOV%
USG%
ORtg
DRtg 100
OWS -1.0 0.0
DWS 2.4 1.5
WS 1.4 1.5
WS/48 .044 .047

123 ≡ incomplete data