Comments on: Layups: How LeBron James Broke the Golden Rule of Sports http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Ken http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51720 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:42:57 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51720 There are some exceptions, like Kobe.

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By: Ken http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51719 Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:41:58 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51719 #21 "Maybe it's because Jordan broke me when I was still just a kid. But I learned a valuable lesson watching ALL my favorite players succumb to that asshole season after season" I go back far enough to remember when that ashole wasn't winning a thing. No one can say that about Bird or Magic. And as to Shaq, he's a disappointment made of the times. If that guy had half of Moses' work ethic he'd own every record there is and 3 or 4 more titles. Kareem said long ago that this is just what would happen. Players wouldn't stay with one team long enough, be motivated enough, or play long enough to make serious runs at records and title numbers. Big money.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51338 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:02:29 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51338 #34

I'll add Super MJ fans too. They love Jordan and are very quick to judge in a biased manner (Skip Bayless).

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51092 Mon, 20 Jun 2011 00:46:28 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51092 #32 He's "off putting" because people think he lost in 2010 on purpose, in other words people are irrational. Also Kobe is a big reason why LeBron is unpopular, his fans are very vocal and loyal.

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By: Ricardo http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51053 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:17:55 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51053 Gee Kyle, go ahead and make more excuses for the Suns.

Why is it, during that same period when the Suns were routinely tossed out the backdoor by the Spurs, were the Mavericks (2006) and Lakers (2008) able to eliminate the Spurs?

What the hell is your logic based on? The Spurs, with their atrocious NBA Finals TV ratings, were FAVORED by the NBA? The Suns, who played a crowd-pleasing style led by one of the most likeable and relatable MVPs ever, were marked for playoff elimination by the NBA?

The Spurs were helped out "...by so much more"? This sounds like you ran out of reasons but wanted to build the case against, hoping no one would call you on it. Well, I am doing just that: elaborate, please.

And how did the lockout year favor the Spurs over other teams? (This ought to be good)

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By: Kyle http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-51048 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:55:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-51048 That Spurs dynasty was helped by one lock out year, having the dirtiest players in the league(and the officials swallowing their whistles or making horrible calls against Phoenix), and so much more. David Robinson was never clutch... not ever. Great player, but not clutch. Dirk has been clutch before, and he's failed before.

Most great players fail in the playoffs eventually. Kobe got beaten by the Suns who didn't have Amar'e Stoudamire, and was horrible this season against the Mavs. Did he choke? Duncan was obliterated by Dirk last season in the playoffs, but his team won. LeBron is the reason the Heat destroyed the Bulls so really... maybe he froze up realizing they were going to lose. No one could stop Dirk in the 4th quarter, and when Bosh was going well either D-Wade or LeBron would jack up a horrible 3 or run over someone and cry that they didn't get the call.

I understand why Wade would cry, cause in 06 he got every foul imaginary or not called for him but James has had the officials let teams player him differently in the Finals. The Spurs did it, the Celtics did it, and to an extent, the Mavs did it. People hate him more than Michael Vick... how is that balanced? Leopold is sort of right about him, at times you think he's not all bad, but he does something that's just off putting. Deal with it, if he were your good buddy he'd probably be very nice to you.

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By: AYC http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-50987 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:22:03 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-50987 "In a win, those SAME "flaws/holes" are perceived as reasons why you win instead."

...Huh?

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By: Anon http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-50986 Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:07:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-50986 "I didn't say anything about winning titles as the measure of a player."

You didn't have to. It's natural reaction when a team loses to look for everything that contributed to the loss. In a win, those SAME "flaws/holes" are perceived as reasons why you win instead.

It's the "magic of winning". And yes, team success is the ultimate goal; it also requires a team. I was merely sticking with what a player can bring by himself to help his team reach that goal.

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By: huevonkiller http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-50979 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:26:21 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-50979 AYC, is Shaq even worse than Hakeem? He's pretty flawed offensively. Sometimes even defensively.

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By: AYC http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724&cpage=1#comment-50976 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:20:41 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=9724#comment-50976 Anon, you like your straw-men, don't you? I didn't say anything about winning titles as the measure of a player. I think it's funny that you put the word flaw in quotes, as if all players aren't flawed. Even Saint Jordan was flawed.

Also, individual production is a means, not an end; the end goal is/should be team success.

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