Comments on: 40 Most Underrated & Overrated Seasons of the Decade http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140 NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Dave http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11353 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:02:30 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11353 Except Mike, PER is generated from Box score stats ... WS is a function of team success so we would expect players from good teams who don't generate lots of stats to look good by this measure.

I do not think for a second Neil was trying to say Bowen and Barry were the reason for San Antonio winning their titles, there are other far more recognised Fundamental players to attribute that to ... but More the first list indicates people who helped their team win, ie be better disproportionately more than their production stats indicated.

I would note, for example, that Biedrins is not on the "bad" list, nor Chris Bosh or Kevin Martin - despite playing on bad teams. Personally, I think it is a bit mean to have rookies on the Overrated list ...

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By: Mike http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11267 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:17:19 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11267 This is flawed.

Notice how the underrated players tend to play on good teams, while the overrated players play on bad teams.

Wins Shares by and large depends on how many games your team wins. PER should be used instead, thus you wont have Michael Jordan on this list (who posted a good PER of 20.8 in 2002).

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By: David http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11260 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:51:54 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11260 Cstein,

They stand for Offensive and Defensive Win shares. They're advanced metrics used to determined how valuable an individual player is to his teams outcome...The overall team ability does tend to dictate an individuals success in these statistical categories so in some ways they can be misleading, but they do give a good indicator how important each player is within their own team concept...

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By: Cstein http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11259 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:41:37 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11259 Can someone explain this chart? What ows/dws stand for? I really want to understand this but I'm ilunfamiliar with the acronyms.

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By: will http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11258 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:45:42 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11258 Good analysis.

Doesn't surprise me that a lot of those overrated players are ones who are also sometimes considered selfish and 'ballhogs' (Isiah Rider, Ricky Davis, A. Walker, Iverson).

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By: Squall http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11254 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:35:28 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11254 I know this is strictly a numbers thing, but I don't recall anybody, any Mike Dumbleavy, saying Baron Davis had an excellent 1st season with the LA Clippers.

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By: Joe R http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11249 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:34:06 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11249 I start to doubt the whole vailidity when Matt Bonner's Win Score rating was the 51st best in the league. I just find it hard to imagine him being the fifty first player best at producing a win. It must have alot to do with the San Antonio system I'm guessing.

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By: your favourite sun http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11247 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:44:27 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11247 I recall Cardinal getting a lot of props for that one season with Golden State, which is why he got overpaid as a free agent right afterwards. He's making almost $7 million for 09-10 because of that one season, so I can't really agree with it being underrated.

Interesting to see 2009 Dampier on that first list. Usually I only hear his name when it precedes the phrase "a waste of space."

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By: Jason J http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140&cpage=1#comment-11243 Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:54:33 +0000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=3140#comment-11243 The other thing this list seems to show is that being a high minute / low statistic player on the Spurs in the 2000s is going to get you a nice WS to PAR ratio. I'd be interested to see what this showed for the '90s. I have a feeling it might be riddled with non-scoring Bulls players.

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