Comments on: Kobe and MJ NBA & ABA Basketball Statistics & History Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:56:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Survey Magnet Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:14:18 +0000 We have an interesting debate about this topic going on at the following link:

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By: storyofgreats Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:39:56 +0000 Woww,bunch of Kobe haters congregation.Being a great side this is hands down pathetic.

By: jj Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:07:23 +0000 Lets not forget about the rule changes that makes Kobe looke so good that Jordan had to play with and he didnt.

By: Therealdeal Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:22:05 +0000 lol They dogging kobe out here in these story.. The original one about lebron being like MJ and kobe fans still find a way to be kobelovers anywhere they go........Kobe will Never be close to break that eff per game record or come close to it like Lebron is on pace to brake @24 ..I see how lakers fans always talking how good of a shooter kobe is and he never has shot over 47% from the field...While lebron has shot 50% ......Lebron dont wanna be like Jordan hes got hes own style ...

By: Therealdeal Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:10:19 +0000 I wanna see Lebron break these record wish hes on pace to breaking..To see if people still talk trash...

By: Jose Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:00:39 +0000 Your bias is pretty clear, JD. You cherry-pick certain things and present them from only one perspective. If that 63 point performance isn't enough because it was in double overtime, then how about MJ having 14 of the top 27 individual performances in NBA history (as of '07 and since the '86-'87 season)? Kobe has 3. The top rated game is MJ's 69 point performance against Cleveland. He also had 18 rebounds and 6 assists in that game. Kobe had 6 rebounds and 2 assists in the game against Toronto. Factor in the potential points scored/saved with those two stats and we're talking about an impact greater than scoring 81 points. Outscoring the Dallas team sounds impressive, but the Mavs have never been a great defensive team, even if they were improved with Avery Johnson as head coach. I'm wondering how their defense could've allowed one guy to outscore their team. Carmelo Anthony recently scored 33 points in a quarter. Is he suddenly in the conversation based on that? I think not.

Also, nobody has said that MJ could've won without help. But going back to that 63 point game, his team as a whole was FAR inferior to that Celtics team, and a far cry from the championship-caliber Bulls teams. And in 1989 when he made "The Shot", the Cavaliers were a much better team as well, and yet MJ made enough of a difference for the upset. Regarding Detroit in the 1990 eastern conference finals, the Bulls did lose in 7 games, but neither team was able to win on the road. Those guys really did physically beat up on MJ though, and judging from the times when I've seen Kobe get played more physical (like when he's been guarded by guys like Bowen in the past), he seems to struggle much more. That's just an observation, so take it as such, but MJ seemed to have more moves in the paint whereas Kobe relies more heavily on the jumpshot, and that does tend to result in a lower field goal percentage.

The Bulls had a good setup when MJ left. Putting Scottie in the leading role worked well for them...for a while. The very next season that same team struggled much more, and even when MJ came back to push their record to *I believe* 47 wins, they lost to Orlando in the playoffs. But as to whether or not Kobe needed more help than MJ, I think there's a simple answer:

MJ had six finals MVP awards. He was clearly the driving force behind each Bulls championship, and even in the one against Seattle where he struggled by HIS standards. (he still made 27 points a game) Kobe has none despite having appeared in 5 finals. Did Kobe struggle in the 2008 finals because his team wasn't as good as any of the championship teams MJ played on? That's probably part of it, but the fact is, MJ could often put together impressive offensive performances in losing efforts just the same. Watching the way that Pierce outplayed Kobe when it mattered most further hammers home the fact that he isn't MJ's equal. Whatever else you can say about MJ, he tended to play his best when it mattered most. Kobe, on the other hand, has been less consistent. History can attest to that.

MJ had his weaker moments like anyone else. No one is denying that. However, he rose to the occasion more often than any other player in NBA history, regardless of whether or not his team was able to join him. That's why many regard him as the greatest. Not because of hype and marketing. He had to fight for a long time before his team was good enough to win a title. It wasn't handed to him. And if the NBA gave him special treatment now and then with calls, that's something which is also true for Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Magic, Bird and any other current or past superstar, so it's a moot point for this particular comparison. I recall Brandon Roy recently mentioning how superstars get calls more easily and therefore defenders are more hesitant when guarding them and therefore they're even more effective.

By: MJ23 Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:40:08 +0000 Even the Rockets led by The Dream and Sir Charles can win a ring to any team at this time....imagine rockets '99 vs celtics -08; how the hell kg will handle sir charles, pip and hakeem??? teams today are nothing compared to 80s and 90s....

By: MJ23 Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:30:28 +0000 hope you guys still remember suns-lakers rnd 1 playoffs where kobe let his team down in final game 7...was it 1-3 lakers???and suns wons 3 in a row??? or was it 0-3???

j_for Says:
December 9th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
comparison huh?. how about today’s celtics vs bird-mchale-parish celts. hmmm.
today’s lakers vs magic-kareem-worthy lakers. This pistons vs dumars-isaiah-laimbeer deeetroit.
ewing-oakley-starks knick vs this years’ best defensive team. how about them 72-10 bulls to this days competition. ahhhhh, the 80’s and 90’s.

'nuff said.

By: ag Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:33:37 +0000 People have a VERY selective memory about MJ.
As if he just appeared out of nowhere to lead his team to titles and did it all on his own.
MJ had a LOT of help, and anyone who will deny this is a flat out moron.
Watch the entire Finals series against Seattle. Payton SHUT MJ down. I believe it was 42% shooting and 5 of the 6 games he failed to score under 30 points. Was it still MJ who "carried" that team on his back all those times?
Scottie Pippen goes unappreciated.
Yes MJ is greater than Kobe, there's no doubt about it. But be realistic. The guy was not flawless in any sense of the word. It was in the NBA's best interests to see the man succeed and they made sure of it. 40% of their income was directly related to MJ. They protected their investment and then some.
And what's even more sad is Jordan "fans" trying to compare Lebron to Kobe or Wade and saying that Kobe is even inferior to these guys. Give me a break. And I don't believe there's real knowledgeable basketball fan on this earth that believes that Lebron's defense is even in the same universe as Kobe's. Remember, it all boils down to team defense to what you see on the surface. The Cavs are a fundamentally sound defensive team, while the Lakers are not. Just as the Celtics defensive scheme is making Ray Allen and Paul Pierce look like perennial all-defensive players, the Cavs defense is making Lebron and his cast look amazing as well.
Kobe is a pure defender. He's been an elite defender since his 3rd year in the league, that doesn't change.

By: bigverga Sun, 14 Dec 2008 00:22:21 +0000 the greatest laker ever is Magic not this wannabe of Kobe, MJ is far superior not only in numbers but also one on one, you heard it laker fans, MJ at his prime nowadays will destroy your idol. Lets be fair kobe and whatever you want against MJ, and the winner is.... MJ by 10. LMAO