Comments on: Hall of Fame Players With the Shortest Waits Before Induction

By: Joe Krupnick

Joe Krupnick — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 06:40:00 +0000

I usually don't come out in defense of Steve Nash, who most certainly didn't deserve one, much less two MVPs, but don't you think it's a little odd that HOF Probability has Nash at 39%? That seems extremely low, particularly for a two-time MVP, and when you consider that guys like Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady are at like 80% and when Tony Parker (??!) is at 56%. Here's a guy who's never cracked 10 winshares, who's only made the all-league team once, and has never been voted higher than 8th for MVP honors. Tony Parker. If Parker goes in, I'm going to have to round up the troops for my man Horace Grant, who's got 4 rings (against Parker's current 3), and has almost 50 more career winshares.

By: AYC

AYC — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:27:00 +0000

BallinUSA, Jordan isn't far down on the list; he was elected in his first year of eligibility, which means he's really at the top of the list, just tied with a bunch of other 1st ballot guys

By: Jared Ras

Jared Ras — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:40:45 +0000

No glitch, the calculation checks out... the HOF Probability will probably miss on this one.

By: Jared Ras

Jared Ras — Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:39:23 +0000

OK, looking at Reggie's stats, I'm inclined to believe the HOF Probability calculator made a glitch. The benchmark here is 25,000 points, which only 14 other players have done, and they're all Hall of Famers except the inevitable Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant. He also retired as (and still is) the all-time 3PTM leader. I just ran the calculation for HOF Probability, and it weighs too much height (negatively) and championships. Reggie also has low values in APG and RPG, but he did play 15 seasons.

By: BallinUSA

BallinUSA — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:30:44 +0000

What a great post. Can't believe MJ is so far down on the list. I'm wondering if anyone has ever been inducted and then came out of retirement to play?

By: AYC

AYC — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:02:49 +0000

Reggie also has impressive WS numbers. For his best 10 year stretch (90-99), he averaged .192 WS48, .194 in the playoffs.

By: Rashidi

Rashidi — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:12:52 +0000

Not to mention that is only judging NBA achievements whereas the hall is for the entire sport of basketball (meaning NCAA, International play, and other factors come into play).

Antoine Walker has a 21% chance of induction using this metric (maybe for the D-League Hall of Fame), while Yao Ming is 20.9%. Yao's career could be over right now and he'd still be a first ballot hall of famer simply based on what he has meant to the game of basketball worldwide.

Arvydas Sabonis is also absent from the list since only his NBA credentials were factored in; his international resume is much more impressive.

In short, Reggie will make it. He had a long career, played at a reasonably high level, was a clutch playoff performer with numerous memorable moments that will be referenced for quite a long time. He was the first player to utilize the 3pt shot as his primary weapon, which certainly counts for something. He wasn't the best player in the world, but let's be real, there are plenty of enshrined players who were worse.

By: Mike Goodman

Mike Goodman — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:02:18 +0000

Some recent Reggie HOF discussion here:
http://apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3526

I don't know if media are biased for or against Reggie Miller. I do know the Hall is about Fame, and that he has. Mostly deserved, mostly for his playoffs, not just against the Knicks.

By: Rashidi

Rashidi — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:02:17 +0000

HoF Probability is obviously a bit flawed if Steve Francis is 5 times more likely to make it than Reggie Miller.

By: AYC

AYC — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:46:01 +0000

Hah, that's funny... Reggie will probably make it on the first ballot. Not due to "media bias", though; he'll make it because he belongs there.