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Norm Van Lier

Norman Allen Van Lier III (Norm, Stormin' Norman)

Position: Guard ▪ Shoots: Right
Height: 6-1 ▪ Weight: 173 lbs.
Born: April 1, 1947 in East Liverpool, Ohio
Died: February 26, 2009
High School: Midland in Midland, Pennsylvania
College: Saint Francis University
Draft: Chicago Bulls, 3rd round (5th pick, 34th overall), 1969 NBA Draft
NBA Debut: October 15, 1969

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All-Time Rank: #246. Nick Van Exel… #247. Jamal Crawford… #248. Truck Robinson… #249. NORM VAN LIER… #250. Mychal Thompson… #251. Fred Brown… #252. Vin Baker… 

Totals

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1969-70 22 CIN NBA PG 81 2895 302 749 .403 166 224 .741 409 500 329 770
1970-71 23 CIN NBA SG 82 3324 478 1138 .420 359 440 .816 583 832 343 1315
1971-72 24 TOT NBA PG 79 2415 334 761 .439 237 300 .790 357 542 239 905
1971-72 24 CIN NBA PG 10 275 28 90 .311 17 22 .773 58 51 32 73
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 69 2140 306 671 .456 220 278 .791 299 491 207 832
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 80 2882 474 1064 .445 166 211 .787 438 567 269 1114
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 80 2863 427 1051 .406 288 370 .778 114 263 377 548 162 7 282 1142
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 70 2590 407 970 .420 236 298 .792 86 242 328 403 139 14 246 1050
1975-76 28 CHI NBA PG 76 3026 361 987 .366 235 319 .737 138 272 410 500 150 26 298 957
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 82 3097 300 729 .412 238 306 .778 108 262 370 636 129 16 268 838
1977-78 30 CHI NBA PG 78 2524 200 477 .419 172 229 .751 86 198 284 531 144 5 200 279 572
1978-79 31 MIL NBA PG 38 555 30 77 .390 47 52 .904 8 32 40 158 43 3 49 108 107
Career NBA 746 26171 3313 8003 .414 2144 2749 .780 540 1269 3596 5217 767 71 249 2661 8770

Per Game

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1969-70 22 CIN NBA PG 81 35.7 3.7 9.2 .403 2.0 2.8 .741 5.0 6.2 4.1 9.5
1970-71 23 CIN NBA SG 82 40.5 5.8 13.9 .420 4.4 5.4 .816 7.1 10.1 4.2 16.0
1971-72 24 TOT NBA PG 79 30.6 4.2 9.6 .439 3.0 3.8 .790 4.5 6.9 3.0 11.5
1971-72 24 CIN NBA PG 10 27.5 2.8 9.0 .311 1.7 2.2 .773 5.8 5.1 3.2 7.3
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 69 31.0 4.4 9.7 .456 3.2 4.0 .791 4.3 7.1 3.0 12.1
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 80 36.0 5.9 13.3 .445 2.1 2.6 .787 5.5 7.1 3.4 13.9
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 80 35.8 5.3 13.1 .406 3.6 4.6 .778 1.4 3.3 4.7 6.9 2.0 0.1 3.5 14.3
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 70 37.0 5.8 13.9 .420 3.4 4.3 .792 1.2 3.5 4.7 5.8 2.0 0.2 3.5 15.0
1975-76 28 CHI NBA PG 76 39.8 4.8 13.0 .366 3.1 4.2 .737 1.8 3.6 5.4 6.6 2.0 0.3 3.9 12.6
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 82 37.8 3.7 8.9 .412 2.9 3.7 .778 1.3 3.2 4.5 7.8 1.6 0.2 3.3 10.2
1977-78 30 CHI NBA PG 78 32.4 2.6 6.1 .419 2.2 2.9 .751 1.1 2.5 3.6 6.8 1.8 0.1 2.6 3.6 7.3
1978-79 31 MIL NBA PG 38 14.6 0.8 2.0 .390 1.2 1.4 .904 0.2 0.8 1.1 4.2 1.1 0.1 1.3 2.8 2.8
Career NBA 746 35.1 4.4 10.7 .414 2.9 3.7 .780 1.3 3.0 4.8 7.0 1.8 0.2 2.1 3.6 11.8

Per 36 Minutes

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1969-70 22 CIN NBA PG 81 2895 3.8 9.3 .403 2.1 2.8 .741 5.1 6.2 4.1 9.6
1970-71 23 CIN NBA SG 82 3324 5.2 12.3 .420 3.9 4.8 .816 6.3 9.0 3.7 14.2
1971-72 24 TOT NBA PG 79 2415 5.0 11.3 .439 3.5 4.5 .790 5.3 8.1 3.6 13.5
1971-72 24 CIN NBA PG 10 275 3.7 11.8 .311 2.2 2.9 .773 7.6 6.7 4.2 9.6
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 69 2140 5.1 11.3 .456 3.7 4.7 .791 5.0 8.3 3.5 14.0
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 80 2882 5.9 13.3 .445 2.1 2.6 .787 5.5 7.1 3.4 13.9
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 80 2863 5.4 13.2 .406 3.6 4.7 .778 1.4 3.3 4.7 6.9 2.0 0.1 3.5 14.4
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 70 2590 5.7 13.5 .420 3.3 4.1 .792 1.2 3.4 4.6 5.6 1.9 0.2 3.4 14.6
1975-76 28 CHI NBA PG 76 3026 4.3 11.7 .366 2.8 3.8 .737 1.6 3.2 4.9 5.9 1.8 0.3 3.5 11.4
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 82 3097 3.5 8.5 .412 2.8 3.6 .778 1.3 3.0 4.3 7.4 1.5 0.2 3.1 9.7
1977-78 30 CHI NBA PG 78 2524 2.9 6.8 .419 2.5 3.3 .751 1.2 2.8 4.1 7.6 2.1 0.1 2.9 4.0 8.2
1978-79 31 MIL NBA PG 38 555 1.9 5.0 .390 3.0 3.4 .904 0.5 2.1 2.6 10.2 2.8 0.2 3.2 7.0 6.9
Career NBA 746 26171 4.6 11.0 .414 2.9 3.8 .780 1.3 3.1 4.9 7.2 1.9 0.2 2.9 3.7 12.1

Advanced

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1969-70 22 CIN NBA PG 81 2895 9.8 .454 .403 20.5 -0.4 2.5 2.1 .035
1970-71 23 CIN NBA SG 82 3324 16.2 .494 .420 7.9 30.7 3.0 3.0 6.0 .086
1971-72 24 TOT NBA PG 79 2415 16.0 .507 .439 7.1 29.8 2.6 5.1 7.7 .152
1971-72 24 CIN NBA PG 10 275 9.9 .366 .311 10.5 24.1 -0.5 0.1 -0.4 -0.070
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 69 2140 16.8 .524 .456 6.7 30.5 3.1 4.9 8.1 .181
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 80 2882 15.7 .481 .445 7.6 27.6 2.0 5.7 7.7 .129
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 80 2863 15.5 .470 .406 4.1 9.7 6.8 28.0 2.6 0.1 94 0.8 4.4 5.2 .087
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 70 2590 15.5 .477 .420 3.5 9.8 6.7 24.3 2.6 0.3 94 1.8 3.8 5.6 .104
1975-76 28 CHI NBA PG 76 3026 13.0 .424 .366 4.3 9.7 6.8 24.8 2.4 0.5 98 -0.2 3.3 3.2 .051
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 82 3097 13.4 .485 .412 3.6 8.9 6.2 28.4 2.0 0.3 99 1.9 3.6 5.5 .085
1977-78 30 CHI NBA PG 78 2524 11.7 .495 .419 3.7 8.5 6.1 27.6 2.7 0.1 25.7 12.4 100 103 1.8 2.0 3.8 .073
1978-79 31 MIL NBA PG 38 555 11.0 .536 .390 1.6 6.4 4.0 30.7 3.5 0.3 32.9 10.4 106 103 0.5 0.6 1.1 .093
Career NBA 746 26171 14.0 .476 .414 3.8 9.2 6.9 27.0 2.5 0.3 26.9 12.1 101 98 13.7 34.1 47.8 .088

Playoffs Totals

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 4 144 22 53 .415 12 14 .857 25 33 15 56
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 7 258 45 129 .349 11 15 .733 37 36 32 101
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 11 466 61 144 .424 39 47 .830 11 36 47 75 17 3 41 161
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 13 547 67 164 .409 62 83 .747 18 49 67 61 20 5 52 196
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 3 134 3 19 .158 10 12 .833 5 10 15 29 10 1 14 16
Career NBA 38 1549 198 509 .389 134 171 .784 34 95 191 234 47 9 154 530

Playoffs Per Game

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 4 36.0 5.5 13.3 .415 3.0 3.5 .857 6.3 8.3 3.8 14.0
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 7 36.9 6.4 18.4 .349 1.6 2.1 .733 5.3 5.1 4.6 14.4
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 11 42.4 5.5 13.1 .424 3.5 4.3 .830 1.0 3.3 4.3 6.8 1.5 0.3 3.7 14.6
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 13 42.1 5.2 12.6 .409 4.8 6.4 .747 1.4 3.8 5.2 4.7 1.5 0.4 4.0 15.1
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 3 44.7 1.0 6.3 .158 3.3 4.0 .833 1.7 3.3 5.0 9.7 3.3 0.3 4.7 5.3
Career NBA 38 40.8 5.2 13.4 .389 3.5 4.5 .784 1.3 3.5 5.0 6.2 1.7 0.3 4.1 13.9

Playoffs Per 36 Minutes

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 4 144 5.5 13.2 .415 3.0 3.5 .857 6.2 8.2 3.7 14.0
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 7 258 6.3 18.0 .349 1.5 2.1 .733 5.2 5.0 4.5 14.1
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 11 466 4.7 11.1 .424 3.0 3.6 .830 0.8 2.8 3.6 5.8 1.3 0.2 3.2 12.4
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 13 547 4.4 10.8 .409 4.1 5.5 .747 1.2 3.2 4.4 4.0 1.3 0.3 3.4 12.9
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 3 134 0.8 5.1 .158 2.7 3.2 .833 1.3 2.7 4.0 7.8 2.7 0.3 3.8 4.3
Career NBA 38 1549 4.6 11.8 .389 3.1 4.0 .784 1.1 3.0 4.4 5.4 1.5 0.3 3.6 12.3

Playoffs Advanced

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1971-72 24 CHI NBA PG 4 144 16.6 .473 .415 8.3 31.7 0.1 0.1 0.2 .064
1972-73 25 CHI NBA PG 7 258 10.3 .372 .349 6.4 21.3 -0.7 0.5 -0.2 -0.037
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 11 466 14.8 .489 .424 2.2 9.2 5.3 24.6 1.8 0.4 105 0.5 0.0 0.5 .052
1974-75 27 CHI NBA PG 13 547 13.6 .489 .409 3.4 9.4 6.4 17.5 1.8 0.5 95 0.4 0.7 1.1 .097
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 3 134 10.1 .329 .158 4.2 9.8 6.8 30.3 3.5 0.4 98 -0.3 0.2 -0.1 -0.036
Career NBA 38 1549 13.4 .454 .389 3.0 9.4 6.3 22.7 2.0 0.4 100 0.0 1.5 1.5 .047

All-Star Games

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1973-74 26 CHI NBA PG 1 0 9:00 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 1 0 1 0
1975-76 28 CHI NBA PG 1 0 14:00 1 4 .250 1 2 .500 1 1 0 1 1 2 3
1976-77 29 CHI NBA PG 1 1 14:00 1 3 .333 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 2 2
Career NBA 3 1 37 2 7 .286 1 2 .500 2 3 3 2 1 5 5

Similarity Scores

Explanation ▪ Players with careers of similar quality and shape (thru 2012-13)
Thru 10 Years Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Norm Van Lier 7.7 7.7 6.0 5.6 5.5 5.2 3.8 3.2 2.1 1.1
Cuttino Mobley 91.5 8.2 7.6 6.9 5.7 5.3 5.2 4.6 4.4 2.3 2.1
Brian Taylor 90.9 8.3 7.9 7.1 5.6 5.3 4.8 3.6 2.3 1.8 0.1
Mike Newlin 90.8 8.5 6.5 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.2 4.7 2.9 1.8 1.6
Latrell Sprewell 90.6 8.1 8.0 6.6 5.5 5.1 4.0 3.0 2.8 2.0 0.4
John Starks 90.3 7.5 6.4 6.2 5.8 5.8 5.7 4.6 3.0 2.4 0.0
David Wesley 90.1 7.6 7.0 6.3 6.1 6.1 5.8 4.8 2.6 2.6 0.6
Dick McGuire 89.5 6.9 6.6 6.3 5.3 5.3 4.7 4.5 4.0 2.1 1.3
Jay Humphries 89.1 8.6 7.6 5.8 4.9 4.8 4.5 3.5 2.0 1.9 1.8
Michael Adams 88.6 8.3 7.5 6.9 6.3 5.3 4.6 3.1 2.7 1.6 -0.1
John Lucas 88.4 7.9 5.9 5.7 5.2 4.8 4.3 3.9 3.2 1.3 0.4
Career Win Shares (Best to Worst)
Player Sim 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14
Norm Van Lier 7.7 7.7 6.0 5.6 5.5 5.2 3.8 3.2 2.1 1.1
Cuttino Mobley 91.3 8.2 7.6 6.9 5.7 5.3 5.2 4.6 4.4 2.3 2.1 -0.1
Brian Taylor 90.9 8.3 7.9 7.1 5.6 5.3 4.8 3.6 2.3 1.8 0.1
Michael Adams 89.8 8.3 7.5 6.9 6.3 5.3 4.6 3.1 2.7 1.6 0.8 -0.1
John Starks 89.6 7.5 6.4 6.2 5.8 5.8 5.7 4.6 3.0 2.4 2.1 0.6 0.0 -0.1
Rickey Green 89.5 7.9 6.7 6.6 5.7 5.6 5.2 3.3 1.8 1.8 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.3 -0.1
Mike Newlin 89.0 8.5 6.5 6.1 5.9 5.8 5.2 4.7 2.9 1.8 1.6 1.5
Jay Humphries 88.5 8.6 7.6 5.8 4.9 4.8 4.5 3.5 2.0 1.9 1.8 -0.4
Latrell Sprewell 88.2 8.1 8.0 6.6 5.7 5.5 5.1 4.0 3.2 3.0 2.8 2.0 1.9 0.4
Alvin Robertson 88.1 8.6 7.7 7.5 5.8 5.3 4.4 3.6 3.4 3.1 2.8
Kenny Smith 88.0 9.0 8.2 6.1 6.1 5.1 4.1 2.9 2.6 2.2 0.6

Appearances on Leaderboards, Awards, and Honors

All-Star Games
1974 NBA
1976 NBA
1977 NBA
Honors
1970-71 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1971-72 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1972-73 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1973-74 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1973-74 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1974-75 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1975-76 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1976-77 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1977-78 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
MVP Award Shares
1973-74 NBA 0.006 (9)
1974-75 NBA 0.009 (11)
1975-76 NBA 0.001 (24)
1976-77 NBA 0.004 (11)
Career 0.020 (140)
Games
1970-71 NBA 82 (2)
1976-77 NBA 82 (3)
Minutes Played
1970-71 NBA 3324 (7)
1976-77 NBA 3097 (5)
Assists
1969-70 NBA 500 (10)
1970-71 NBA 832 (1)
 1971-72 NBA 542 (6)
1972-73 NBA 567 (5)
1973-74 NBA 548 (5)
1975-76 NBA 500 (4)
1976-77 NBA 636 (2)
1977-78 NBA 531 (5)
Career NBA 5217 (53)
Career 5217 (53)
Steals
1973-74 NBA 162 (6)
Personal Fouls
1969-70 NBA 329 (3)
1970-71 NBA 343 (3)
1975-76 NBA 298 (7)
Minutes Per Game
1970-71 NBA 40.5 (9)
1975-76 NBA 39.8 (5)
1976-77 NBA 37.8 (8)
Career NBA 35.1 (82)
Career 35.1 (89)
Assists Per Game
1969-70 NBA 6.2 (9)
1970-71 NBA 10.1 (1)
 1971-72 NBA 6.9 (6)
1972-73 NBA 7.1 (5)
1973-74 NBA 6.8 (6)
1974-75 NBA 5.8 (10)
1975-76 NBA 6.6 (4)
1976-77 NBA 7.8 (3)
1977-78 NBA 6.8 (5)
Career NBA 7.0 (26)
Career 7.0 (26)
Steals Per Game
1973-74 NBA 2.0 (7)
1974-75 NBA 2.0 (9)
1975-76 NBA 2.0 (8)
Assist Pct
1970-71 NBA 30.7 (3)
1971-72 NBA 29.8 (4)
1972-73 NBA 27.6 (5)
1973-74 NBA 28.0 (5)
1975-76 NBA 24.8 (5)
1976-77 NBA 28.4 (7)
1977-78 NBA 27.6 (7)
Career NBA 27.0 (77)
Career 27.0 (79)
Hall of Fame Probability
Career 0.054 (202)
NBA Elo Player Rating
248th (overall) as of May 23, 2013, 5:11AM
    

Transactions

April 7, 1969: Drafted by the Chicago Bulls in the 3rd round (34th pick) of the 1969 NBA Draft.

October 12, 1969: Traded by the Chicago Bulls with Dave Newmark to the Cincinnati Royals for Walt Wesley.

November 9, 1971: Traded by the Cincinnati Royals with a 1972 3rd round draft pick (Frank Russell) to the Chicago Bulls for Jim Fox and a 1972 2nd round draft pick (Mike Ratliff).

October 11, 1978: Waived by the Chicago Bulls.

October 26, 1978: Signed as a free agent with the Milwaukee Bucks.

January 22, 1979: Waived by the Milwaukee Bucks.

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